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Diva
03-15-02, 02:07PM
BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/wales/newsid_1871000/1871230.stm) -- A senior officer with North Wales Police has said that patrol officers in the UK should be routinely armed.
Speaking in a BBC TV crime special, Assistant Chief Constable Clive Wolfenden said it would be in the interests of the safety of officers, especially in certain areas of major cities.

The comments came as the north Wales force was being investigated over the shooting of a man with a plastic bullet in Old Colwyn two weeks ago.

Talking about gun-related crime for Armed and Dangerous, Mr Wolfenden said: "In certain areas, perhaps in big cities where crime is at its worst, and some very dangerous and determined criminals routinely use firearms ... in the interests of police officers' safety, and public safety, it would be best if officers were routinely armed.".

He added that there were "very strong arguments that every officer, every patrol officer" should carry arms.

"The public should understand the remarkable achievement of having a predominately unarmed police service in the 21st Century," he added.

Chief Constable of Thames Valley Peter Neyroud told the programme that the public's impression of British police being unarmed was a "myth". "We're not routinely armed, but we have the capability and we need to have the capability. Where you're confronted with someone holding a shotgun or a rifle or a pistol, the only thing that's going to protect you and protect the public effectively is going to be a firearm."

But the suggestion of routine arming of police was criticised by Rex Makin, a solicitor representing the family of schizophrenic Andrew Kernan from Liverpool. He was shot dead by police in July 2001 as he brandished a Samurai sword. "Are we to become a gun state like they are in the US," he said. It seems to me that some ranks of the police are going a little dotty. If they can shoot Andrew Kernan then lord knows who else some trigger-happy policeman will shoot.

In February, a 30-year-old man was hit in the stomach by a baton round fired by an officer with the North Wales force. Steven Myers was treated in hospital following the incident, but was not seriously hurt. He was charged with making a threat to kill, affray, and damaging doors and windows.

It was thought to be the first time that a baton gun had been used by police in the UK - outside of Northern Ireland - since its approval last June.

Police forces across the UK currently employ armed officers for deployment in particularly dangerous situations, such as sieges.


So, what are your opinions on this? Should they be armed? Is the system working without lethal weapons? Any UK comments?

Sterling
03-15-02, 03:12PM
No, they should not be armed. It works pretty well in the UK right now. If the police were armed routinely, then criminals would be more likely to arm themselves. Right now, criminals armed with guns are very rare. The number of people killed with guns in the UK in a year is a fraction of the number of people killed with guns in the US in a day - the policy can't be that broken.

Obviously, the police can and do arm themselves when the situation demands it, but I'd hate to see that become the norm.

It's also interesting to note that in every poll of UK police officers I've seen, most are against being routinely armed.

Diva
03-18-02, 06:54AM
I agree, Sterling. If it works, why change it? It's like that old saying "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". Too many people think that guns are the answer to everything. While I side with police shooting a man armed with a sword, I only do so as a last resort. Let's face it.... How else are they going to disarm him? It is a deadly weapon and if people are in danger, then the shooting should be justified.

Jake
03-18-02, 11:30AM
You give a man a gun, he's gonna want to use it. You take away the gun, he sticks with what he has. It's amazing what the power of rationalization can do. I always admired the UK system for not jumping into the armed force game. I sure do hope they stay that way.