XBOX/PS2/PC Which one is bettah? ROTFLMAOCOPTER

[JakeD]

don't even get me started on gushing over the xbox.

Seriously, please don't.

Me: I'm thinking of getting a PS2.
Bane: Why? PS2 sucks. You should get an XBox.
Me: But...the PS2 has more games that I like and am more apt to play.
Bane: Doesn't matter. XBox is better. Better graphics, hard drive, awesome online capabilities, etc.
Me: But.....there's only like three games on there that I'd end up playing.
Bane: STFU XBOX IS UNSTOPPABLE
*he attacks me with a shovel*
Me: AAAARGH MY FACE

That's pretty close to a discussion we had at Fry's about consoles. :/

[Thaum1el]

/me puts on heavy body armour.
Consoles suck.

[Evilpoptart]

No just the suck box sucks. For me personally its never come down to how POWERFUL a console is.

Its GAMES hands down. X Box owners can scream Halo and KOTOR till the sun comes down. However, thats just a few games. PS2? I could rattle off 50 games right here and now. Developers like consoles with a large installed base, which the PS2 has WAY more off. Hense more games, more often.

Fuck waiting 6 months to a year for GTA, just so it looks a little prettier. It aint worth dropping the dough over a new console over. You have to have selection, which the X Box don't have. And in house X Box games are shit too. Sony, and furthermore Nintendo developed games pwn anything microsoft can make. NFL Fever anyone? I think not....

[Mr. Bojangles]

No way did I just read that someone think's PS2 is superior in any way to x-box. I'm just gonna pretend that I didn't see that.


(ps2 better!?!? Need to back off the bong there, chief)

[Poseidon]

there is nothing that consoles can do (graphics and gameplay wize) that PC can't do better.

On the side, the 2 (or 3) are slowly or not so slowly converging, something I don't like. You can customize your PC the way you want to, you can't do that to a console, legaly, at least.

[Sterling]

there is nothing that consoles can do (graphics and gameplay wize) that PC can't do better.
If you take a narrow definition, then that's perhaps (but very uninterestingly) true.

Taking a wider definition of gameplay, there are plenty of game types which just don't work quite as well on the PC, even if technically they are of course possible. In particular:

1. The setting of a typical PC at a desk versus in your living room means that social multiplayer (on single box) games just don't work as well on the PC. Sports, racing and fighting games all seem to be much more fun on the couch with some buddies than all huddled around a desk.

2. The lack of a common controller makes some game styles less accessible on a PC. Fighting games, for example. When was the last time you played a fighting game on the PC that didn't suck?

Of course, there are game types which work better on the PC too (e.g. strategy games where you need to display a lot of detailed information, or shooters where a mouse/keyboard combo is a superior input device to a controller). Point is that they are different environments, and they each have their strengths and weaknesses.

Yes, you could put your PC in the living room, and attach some controllers. But how many PC games are designed around that setup? Zero.

[Evilpoptart]

The Microsoft guy speaks truth.

Besides, a PC isnt built for stricly gaming, usually. And if it was, it costs an ASSLOAD of cash. Doom 3 anyone? 500$ in upgrades to play that one. While if you own an X Box, you can just go buy it for 50, and throw it in. Your ready to play.

PS2, Xbox, etc...they are all DEDICATED gaming machines. They aren't running a OS, Trillian, FTP server, and everything else at the same time. GTA blows on the pc as an example. Whilst Counter Strike on the Xbox aint shit to the PC version. so its back and forth. I prefer consoles, I save money on upgrades, and a PS2 controller is the best made, hands down.

[Bane]

I own a PS2 and Xbox, and to be quite honest with you I prefer the xbox. That doesn't mean however that I won't play the PS2 (or the pc obviously) mostly because the ps2 has a larger library of RPG games (which is changing). Some types of games I would much rather play on PC (such as FPS) simply because I am far better at controlling them with a keyboard mouse. However sports games on PC are .. I have to agree with sterling also that multiplayer on a single pc = shite.

On topic again I found the following page and thought I would throw it into the thread:
http://nanobox.chipx86.com/ie_is_dangerous.php

[Poseidon]

The reason why multiplayer games (4 people or so on one pc at the same time) is shitty, is because they weren't writen to be. They used to be, in early 90s, then they stopped. My pc, for example, is hooked up to a TV with a fairly big screen. there is no reason why 4 people can't play a game like they would play on PS2 or Xbox and sit on the couch, except that PC game developers don't put that option in. 4 USB/wireless controllers, a game with support for 4 people, split screen is perfectly possible. And when you are done, switch from Input back to regular channels, and can go back to computer to play your favorite FPS.

[Bane]

The reason single pc muliplayer games arent written is because next to no one has the hardware / setup to run it. I personally don't know anyone with more than one usb controller and I only know a handfull of people that even have a tv hooked up to their computer, and of those (only me the exception) uses that hookup for a multimedia setup.

Console gaming is much better for that medium.

Actually I cant remember a single single pc multiplayer (more than 2) game ever made for pc.

[Evilpoptart]

because the ps2 has a larger library of RPG games (which is changing)

I dunno, other then KOTOR, I can't think of a worthy RPG on XBOX. I'm a Squenix guy, and I just don't see anything on XBOX that can compare to anything they put out..

My whole console buying life has been dictated by the system Square decides to develop for. NES, SNES, PS1, PS2.....and on it goes

The XBOX has some "decent" RPG's, I will give it that. However, they don't have anything that can compare to Breath of Fire, Final Fantasy, XenoSaga, Dark Cloud, Front Mission, Dragon Quest, etc. Those are some big guns.

Then you got DMC, Metal Gear(1st on PS2), Castlevania, Megaman Classics, Street Fighter, Tekken, Everquest, and on and on.....

[Bane]

RPG? Jade Empire and Fable. KOTOR 1 + 2 as well. Oh, and Morrowind.

As far as comparing to the classic RPGs even PS2 doesnt have anything comparing to those. Dragons Breath fucking blew, the new XenoSaga is horrid, etc..

MS just started on this btw, but the fact that they have bioware, not to mention the creator of the FF series in their camp now kind of promises good things to come. And everquest for the ps2 wasn't even remotely a good game. I beta tested it, it was f'n horrible.

Other games? Doom III, Riddick, Voodo Vince, Mech Assault, and Halo, which lets admit it here, like it or not its the bar for FPS on Consoles, and there is no way PS2 could even come close to matching it.

XBox is just maddeningly more powerful than PS2. And with the hard drive much more than that.

[Bane]

SUPER SPECIAL CONTENT NOTE:
I split this from the original thread (http://www.nochicktrix.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8614). As it just got insanely off topic. Bettah to duel to the death in a thread made especially for the topic no?

[Evilpoptart]

I beta'd and then played EQ for almost 2 years on PS2. And while at 1st it sucked monkey balls, it really did come into its own with Frontiers.(which really should have been the actual game, cause Everquest 1.0 was kind of a beta, not really finished)

I haven't touched XenoSaga 2, but I will, for stories sake. BoF IV was good, once you get past the fact you have to keep dying and start over. Morrowwind tried to be EQ, without being the same size of game, I thought FABLE was a SNES RPG at best. As for Riddick...I was smart enough to avoid that piece of shit in theatres, I sure as hell won't play it in game form.

The only way I'll get an XBOX is if the drop the price to 100 bones. Then I'll pick up the 5 games I want for it. Same goes for GC. If it goes to 50 bucks, I'll buy the 5 games I want for it.

I just don't get into all the hype behind XBOX. Designed by gamers? No gamer in his right mind would have designed that NASTY controller. The thing was HUGE. Granted, they brought the jap version over here, so its smaller now, but it still doen't compare to the PS2 controller.

The HDD does kick ass, granted. It would kick more ass if you actually could play your mp3's on everygame, instead of just a few. Other then that, its just a huge memory card. Now of course, if you hack the shit out of your XBOX, the HDD is pretty useful, no doubt.

It just takes more then a handful of games to justify me plopping down the scrilla required to buy a system nowdays. XBOX2 might be a bit more promising, sinse MS might have learned their lesson, and will put out better shit.

However, as long as Sony has the FULL power of Capcom, Konami, Squenix, and etc behind them, you know thats where I will be.

[HeavensAngel]

XBOX is better..best even IMO. And the new ones comming out soon and I cant wait.

[Bane]

I have big hands, I actually prefer the larger controller. And considering if they controller had even come close to looking like a ps controller sony would have sued the shit out of them its not a huge surprise.

The fact that you said you avoided a piece of shit that you've never seen reflects your hatred of a system you coudn't have a lot of experience playing. The fact that the mp3 playing doesn't work in some games is pretty much devs not adding it in. In the Xbox next its a req in ms development sheets. Devs will be required to put it in.

HDD a big memory card? Sure, if the memory card also allows you to download content updates etc. And you dont have to keep buying them as you fill up more and more. Drop the cost you've paid in memory cards (I have 4 for my ps2) that drops the price of the xbox quite a bit there. Add in the price of buying the network adapter and hdd you need for playing online games such as ff and you've got a prime affordable system.

I'm not even going to argue with you about fable as I'm assuming you havent played it through. It's not even close to being SNES in quality. It was a superb game. Morrowind is far far better than EQ, the two arent even similar games.

Keep in mind also that square support for Nintendo was a lifelong commitment that lasted about till the Sony guys started shipping more systems. Then they jumped ship like any business savvy company would.

Like it or not the XBox is a better system. The Nintendo systems had a far greater library than the PS when it came out but that certainly didnt make their system superior.

[whitecrow]

..I...have...never...played...anything...on...any. ..console...after...1999.

[Evilpoptart]

Content updates? On what? 5 games? out of what?

Like it or not..lets break it down to brass tacks here...The HDD doesnt do shit for most games, and by most I mean 90%. Its a memory card with some cool features that never get used except during a blue moon.

Fable was too cartoon, powerpuff girls for me. I played it before, back when it was called Final Fantasy IX.

I played Morrowind on PC, and it really did try to be a MMORG without the MMO,

I avoid Riddick for a good reason, cause lets break it down again: I love good, well produced, original, and I might add again GOOD movies. Vinny boy has as much acting skill as a rock. Hell, THE ROCK has better acting skill then him, and he sucks too. Movie Video games as a general rule, almost ALWAYS suck. If you been playing games for a long time, you know this.

I don't think the XBOX sucks, I think its over hyped and over rated. As I said originally, its not what a system has inside, its not the potential of a system, its the library of games.

If you wanna go by insides, and potential, the Dreamcast was better then any system ever. Tons of potential, innovative and everything else Sega is good for.

Games I would buy the XBOX

1. Halo
2. Halo 2
3. KOTOR
4. KOTOR II
5. Mech Assault

And thats it. everything else I would play is already out for PS2.

[Sterling]

First, a disclaimer. I work for Microsoft, specifically Microsoft Game Studios, in a senior technical management role. You can find my name in the credits of some of the titles mentioned in this thread. So I have what you might call a professional interest. With that out of the way...

I agree, it's not the power of the hardware that's important, it's the software. The most powerful system in the world is just an expensive doorstop unless you have games you want to play on it.

Reality is that right now, it depends on your taste in games. If you like Halo and the Bioware-style RPGs, the Xbox is your thing (also check out Phantom Dust, it's awesome). If you like the Final Fantasy series, then you'll need a PS2. Arguing about which is better is slightly silly.

Looking forward to the next generation, I think there are good reasons to believe that our next console is going to kick ass. I think the overall customer experience is going to be great. (Want to play MP3s in every game? You got it. Want Live available in every game? You got it.) And I think we're going to have really great titles coming out for our platform.

[Boozer]

I like Gamecube.

[Poseidon]

I like Comodore64

[whitecrow]

I like punchcard tic-tac-toe.

[Poseidon]

thing about Xbox (as it is right now, not sure about the next one) is that I see it as a crappy PC. It got almost all the components I can buy in a store, microsoft controller included. PS2 seems to be a much more mature platform, with exactly the same games and then some. Sterling, some info on the current and next platform maybe? Not to ask for marketing but... well.. I AM planning on getting SOMETHING sooner or later. There are some game that will come out for consoles that just plain wont make it to PC. OR, as it is usually done, changed to PC in a VERY crappy way. Right now, on the radar are PS3, Xbox2, PSP. GameCube or whatever nintendo comes out with is pretty much out. And I am not too impressed with the Nintendo DS.

[Sir Li]

I may be new here but the Xbox is a still new platform and I have All three and Trust me the Ps2 may have more games but sony is horrable about honoring the manufacturing warentee (sorry dont spell well collage grad) not to say the gamecube is great but it can do more special effects than any other system not that its better just a fact my Xbox and Ps2 have hung up on the more action oriented games / as for a pc EVILPOPTART is right the mods in my ps 2.9 gig speed 2gig ram 1gig vid ram umteen ports tv interface (36inch flat lcd won in a raffle at the VFW) and too much to go in to great detail is fun but the whole hacker and virus thing is a hassle .Never had a prob with that on Xbox live(side note if I ever find the maker of those things or makers Imgoing to have a long talk with them :>) that said all are good in their own way I'm probly going to get a PsP in a year or so to let them get all the bugs out nuff said

[Bane]

I agree, it's not the power of the hardware that's important, it's the software. <snip> Arguing about which is better is slightly silly.

While I agree with you for the most part here I have to disagree a bit. While the game libraries have signifigant differences the games that come out for both systems I ALWAYS buy for xbox. My friend cursed me out for buying Madden 2k5 for xbox. He wanted to play against me on PS2, but honestly ... I didn't want another ps2 game. He came over my house and played a couple times. Then played Fable. 2 weeks later he had his own copies.

GTA for example. Nice on ps2 sure, but I liked the fact that I could crash into cars on the xbox version and they would stay around long enough for there to be a few crashes, not dissapearing as soon as I went off the screen. Custom soundtrack as well. Graphics crisper. Just far superior.

One other thing. There was a topic here about guns not too long ago. A lot of people didn't believe in them. Well, the Xbox is your answer. If you absolutely have to kill a hulking brute with a game system do you want to use the puny ps2 or the hugemongus XBOX? That's right bitches. Bow before the ultimate entertainment device.

[Sir Li]

Generally I'm a neutral kind of guy on th e subject of game platforms but you are right about th eXbox it is the king of First person shooters and I still say the hacker prob on the Pc is its great downfall

[Assassin13]

I agree, it's not the power of the hardware that's important, it's the software. The most powerful system in the world is just an expensive doorstop unless you have games you want to play on it.

Reality is that right now, it depends on your taste in games. If you like Halo and the Bioware-style RPGs, the Xbox is your thing (also check out Phantom Dust, it's awesome). If you like the Final Fantasy series, then you'll need a PS2. Arguing about which is better is slightly silly.

I have to agree with Sterling here. I work for EB Games Canada and it all comes down to the taste in games. The thing I always tell customers who are trying to decide between the 3 consoles is look at the games for each, see which games you like and then choose the system second. The way I look at it Gamecube is a good graphics console but caters more to the younger customer. Xbox focuses on males age 15-30 and PS2 tends to be more general with a little bit of everything. RPG's on PS2 is where it is at. As for PC, well I will always have one and will always play games on it but I consider PC on a different level than consoles

I own a PS2 and couldn't be happier with it. The controller is nice and the choice of games that I can play makes it enjoyable (Champions, FFX, FFX-2, Legend of dragoon). I also like the idea of being able to play the old PS1 games on it as it expands the # of games you can play greatly. Sure the lack of a HD is a pain but unless I was planning on playing something like FFXI (Which I won't do as I refuse to pay monthly for an FF title) it really isn't that much of an issue, if you want more space for saving games then go and get a third party memory card thats 32 Mb or larger.

In the protable market, PSP hands down. Right now it is amazing and the possibilities that it has created makes me wonder what the next generation of gaming consoles (stationary and portable) is going to be like when they actually hit the market.