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NewEnglChick
09-08-01, 06:26PM
Ok here`s an oldie but a goodie. What in your opinion is the stronger emotion love or hate?
We all know love can lead human beings to great deeds be it love for a partner, a child, an animal or an inanimate object. people have died for love in the past and will undoubtably do so again in the future.
Hate on the other hand has the power to move international boundries, kill millions of people, make whole areas of some cities, countries and parts of the world unsafe for some people. We have only to look at the recent problems in the former Yugoslavia to see hate can become a way of life for whole communities. We can also look to the same area to see that hate can endure for hundreds of years. A very powerful emotion indeed weather we like it or not.
So boys and girls what do you think?
I have to agree with Chickeeta. They can both be just as strong. And just as dangerous. People have killed for love. How do you define the insane? Or the jealous rage that kills because "If I can't have her/him, then no one can"?
Scranton
09-09-01, 03:18AM
Hate is the stronger of the two, as people tend to commit more crimes through it.
You can say you'll do anything to protect the one's you love, but it's the hate in you that drives you to do it, not the love for them!
Jennafer
09-09-01, 07:56AM
It's just yin/yang. They're equal. One always needs the other...
the strongest emotion is indifference. when we don't give a shit then we're fucked. love and hate mean that we care about something and can still be moved to action/repentence. when we don't give a shit, that's all. that's it. there's no revival of the senses, no atonement of sins and wrongdoing. we've just assigned ourselves to the idea that what we do is all we care about. booyaa, i've preached, now it's time to look at porn.
Jennafer
09-09-01, 06:17PM
Okay Love, it feels better and doesn't tear your insides apart and give you a heart attack.
Redallnite
09-09-01, 06:18PM
But as for this southern girl, love is the stronger emotion.
bah, fuck it. i don't give a shit anymore.
RudeDawg-Well, that's indifference for ya!
Sometimes there is no black and white, simple answer. But if I were to pick a side, I guess it would have to be love. When you hate, the hatred is within. The emotion in itself feeds off of the person who hates. The end result is that that person self destructs.
When you truly love someone, you are willing to put aside your own beliefs for them. You are willing to stop the world for them. Your worlds become one and then the force of two stands against hate.
Self defense, without malice, Roo... If I am forced to defend someone I love, I will protect them. But, that does not mean I hate the intruder. Hatred is personal. Love can be universal.
When a 'hate crime' is commited, people often bond together and strengthen their ties. Was it hate that created this? Or love?
Hatred starts wars and as does the love for your country. Who wins? The guys with the bigger guns.
I heard someone once say in order to hate something dont you have to at one point have loved it??.. They are both strong emotions.. I dislike alot of things, people etc.. but rarely actually "hate" them so to speak. Both emotions have consequences, hate often brings about the negative consequences, and stuff.. So anything I really despise I usually just wrap up and send off with a bright white light!!.. :D
I guess in the light of what has just happened to the trade centre there is no further need for me to argue this thread any longer
Neither hate not love are the strongest emotion. FEAR is.
Sterling
09-12-02, 06:33AM
It's just yin/yang. They're equal. One always needs the other...
Or, as one of my colleagues put it: "It's yin and yang man, you've got to see both sides. The guy's still a prick though."
Originally posted by SysLord
Neither hate not love are the strongest emotion. FEAR is.
BUZZZZZZ!
I disagree,,,, Courage overcomes fear.
Originally posted by aussie
yep hate won that one didnt it :finger:
And its still winning day after fucking day
Aussie,,,,,do you head up the Pessimist Club meetings in your town?
And hate will give you the courage to over come fear and hate will give you the courage to fly a plane load of civilians into a building full of people just going about the daily business of living. Hate will drive you to send your countries young men into a foreign land to over throw a government you dont like. Hate will have your countries military bomb villages and weddings. Hate will have you bomb four canadian soldiers by mistake. Apathy will then lead you to dismiss it as mere friendly fire. Greed mixed with hate will then lead you to attack another country that just happens to be oil rich
Sterling
09-12-02, 10:13AM
Actually, I think it's probably spite, not hate. Spite makes people do all sorts of dumb low-level nasty things to one another. It's not as dramatic as hate, but it happens all the time.
Kind of like gravity. Gravity is a very weak force, but it's always there and always acts on us, so overall it has the most effect.
Hate, when felt is more powerfull...
I've loved alot, but hated very few..
I been angry or dissliked alot of things and people but not really hated..
Thats my 2 cents anyway..
Originally posted by aussie
Hate will drive you to send your countries young men into a foreign land to over throw a government you dont like. Hate will have your countries military bomb villages and weddings. Hate will have you bomb four canadian soldiers by mistake. Apathy will then lead you to dismiss it as mere friendly fire. Greed mixed with hate will then lead you to attack another country that just happens to be oil rich
OK,,,, Let me get this straight. You are saying, in essence, that the U.S. government hates its enemies. Oh wait, its just GEEDUBYA that hates these enemies. Being the dictator that he is he can just toss whatever military might where ever he pleases. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
What would you have my government do Aussie hand Al Queda and Saddam a jar of Vaseline and bend over? We are over there seeking something all right,,,,,,
JUSTICE
Originally posted by usantic
BUZZZZZZ!
I disagree,,,, Courage overcomes fear.
Not according to scientific research. I agree that hate is a very strong emotion too but hate thrives on fear. Similarly courage is also in many cases sparked by fear. The fear of loosing something/someone, someone having it better than you etc. Bottom line is FEAR.
Originally posted by SysLord
Not according to scientific research.
Show us the stats. Ever get the feeling we're chasing our tails?
Villager
09-12-02, 05:35PM
Love.
Hate can drive people to awful things, as can love. Difference is, love is something people can hang onto until the bitter end as a choice, rather than hate which is a last resort, when you have nothing more.
Sorry, I've been drinking.......
Originally posted by usantic
Show us the stats. Ever get the feeling we're chasing our tails?
Let me do some digging. Not sure about the tail though. Last time I checked there was nothing :)
The upcoming war on Iraq has nothing to do with justice. It's a small extreme clan of neo-conversatives surrounding GW Bush trying to impose their new 'world' order where pre-emptive striking is a means to squash any 'potential' trouble as they see fit. Iraq is a trial run for this purpose. I doubt that even oil plays a big part in it. This is about ideology and personal matters. All the old farts headed by the 'bitch' Condoleeza Rice that were pissed off with Bush Sr when he refused to march onto Bagdad now see their moment of vengeance coming closer.
Very frightning indeed. American government policy is becoming more solitary, unilateral and infantile by the day.
I seem to have been dubbed ultra right wing and that couldn't be more further than the truth.
bin Laden claimed responsibility Aussie or did you decide to let that fact slip your argument? Has he declared war on Iraq yet?
Don't give me that crap about stealing the pesidency either, sore losers are demeaning to themselves. Megalomaniac???? Where does that come from? Bush is keeping the citizens of this country and others around the world aware of the danger at hand. I'm sure you will say he is simply doing that to frighten the masses into thinking they are in harm's way. I say he's dead on. I'll defend this president or any other that will stand up to a dictator
that has killed his own people, charged into neighbouring countries under force of arms, and,,,,,,,,,,and totally disregarded the world's decisions (U.N. resolutions) of simple arms inspections.
If Iraq has nothing to hide then why don't they allow the world to see this? I'll ask you this, if Iraq decides to detonate a nuclear device, would you have any reservations about them having that capability? I am actually ready to say screw the oil over there. Let em drink the stuff. I prefer the isolationist views we had at the beginning of the 20th century. Let those countries get out of their own mess. "Keep America outta this unless we're attacked" I keep seeing Chamberlain waving that slip of paper over his head with Adolf's signature....."Peace in our time" I couldn't believe my eyes when I read your defense of Saddam. I've traveled enough to know how the world views my country. Its odd that the one that holds the number one spot is always despised and held in contempt. Have you ever noticed that Aussie? I think hate has you by the short hairs Aussie and you need to step outside your box once inna while also.
Originally posted by SysLord
The upcoming war on Iraq has nothing to do with justice. It's a small extreme clan of neo-conversatives surrounding GW Bush trying to impose their new 'world' order
Very frightning indeed. American government policy is becoming more solitary, unilateral and infantile by the day.
The very frightning thing is that you and I are argueing the same case here. I guess theyre ice skating in hell tonight.
The saddest thing is that all americans are going to be seen as the same after all this is over. People are going to forget that the average american didnt vote for this just as they are going to forget that bush cheated his way into the white house. All people are going to see is America being the bully boy of the playground once again. They will not realise that the average american has no choice in the places their government takes them. All the world will see is an american and the hatred will spread a little further. Who will be the next Daniel Perl Who is going to be the next person murdered just because he was born in a country where the government view them selves as rulers of the world.
I look around the net these days and there is so much anger building against america from places that a year ago were allies and its growing daily. I my self stood on americas side a year ago but slowly day by day Im seeing more and more to change my mind.
Originally posted by aussie
People are going to forget that the average american didnt vote for this just as they are going to forget that bush cheated his way into the white house.
He entered that position as to our rule of law Aussie. Keep up the hate bro.....:(
He entered that position by deception and fraud we all know that. gee Dub is the best president money can buy
Oh thats right,,,,, the sitting president at the time allowed the deception. If I were a hateful person I might say that sounded just like what the former president would do to the people of America. Get over it. Do you buy Pepto Bismol by the case?
Do you buy Pepto Bismol by the case?
I wouldnt know what the fuck your talking about mate. what the hell is Pepto Bismol ?
As I said before mate he is your president and you love him and voted for him. As an american president let the cunt stay within his own borders.
Hey nice post before as well its a bit late at night here at the moment so Ill tear you and your president apart tomorrow ;)
But in the mean time I will say this to you there is only one dictator in charge of nuclear weapons stepping out side his borders right now and it isnt sadam hussein. And should sadam become one more mad man with a nuclear bomb then what the hell do I care its not exactly an elite club is it?
yeah, what the hell do you care.
* begins humming the Beatles "All you need is Love" *
actually Im a lot more concerned with your president having those weapons than I am about sadam. And thats not a wind up thats just the honest truth
He's got em and hasn't used them Aussie.
* thumps Aussie in tha noggin *
usantics, you are not right wing? Would you then please state where we should position you? :confused:
So you support Bush? Personally I **** ** any person that voted for and supports the most idiotic and incompetent US president of all times. Leave aside whether he cheated (chadded) his way into the White House or not.
So Bush is protecting us from evil Saddam? So what about all the other dictators in this world? First Bush tried to pin Saddam together with Bin Laden. Then when that propaganda tactics didn't work, he's the champion of mass destruction?
So you want to be more isolationist? Then Bush is indeed your man.
USA #1? In what? In voting for stupid people into their government? For sure you are #1 where military power is concerned, the USA spends more on defence than the numbers 2-10 in the world all combined together! Strange though how the UNDP (http://www.undp.org) doesn't see the USA as #1 amongst developed countries in the world?
You may have travelled alot but with your eyes closed?
I haven't read the several pages on this topic.
That aside..This may have already been addressed before in this thread, but......
I feel emotions are analogous to a time line.
Love is on one end, and hate is the opposite end of the Mick scale.
You cannot experience total love without the exact opposite of hate.
The emotions involved are subjective, yet, equally important.
I have experienced the effects of both. I have been embarrassed, emotionally taxed, and spent too much money on the love factor. I have also been injured emotionally, and punitively for the hate end of the spectrum (jailed).
WTF....I wandered from the original post....I think the strongest emotions are fight or flight. That may not be emotional as much as it is instinctual. Instinctually, I must chill from the fast trip from LA to Tucson. Gotta go, and figure this emotional sh*t later.
Hell, If I knew emotions and stuff, I would be married.
Originally posted by usantic
He's got em and hasn't used them Aussie.
* thumps Aussie in tha noggin *
Neither has sadam used them. During the gulf war it was said sadam had biological weapons at his disposal. During the gulf war he proved that he had missiles that could reach Israel. Now if indeed he had both then why didnt he use them? So I said before sadam hasnt left his borders in ten years. How many other countries have united states troops been in during that time? Of all the countries that have the bomb which one has used it? Sorry mate but the war mongering lunar tick that most of the world fears right now is your president. The next 9/11 will be a direct result of his policies and actions. If ther is one thing Bin Laden has shown the world its that no matter the military might of the united states those they opress will always be able to hit them back. The only question is how quickly someone can get rid of bush before he starts world war three
Im now calling up a jihad against Usantics
Redallnite
09-14-02, 02:45PM
Originally posted by aussie
actually Im a lot more concerned with your president having those weapons than I am about sadam. And thats not a wind up thats just the honest truth
It's the United Nations that is concerned about Sadam and his weapons.
The saddest thing is that all americans are going to be seen as the same after all this is over. People are going to forget that the average american didnt vote for this just as they are going to forget that bush cheated his way into the white house.
He did not cheat his way into the white house. You keep blowing shit out of your mouth that it is imposible to even have a debate with you and your ignorance.
Red, everyone has a right to their opinion. Just because it's different doesn't make it ignorance. In debates the ultimate goal is getting both opinions accross. No one has to win or lose. I just want everyone to have fun.
Jennafer
09-15-02, 10:11PM
I haven't kept up with this issue, but I know mine is fear.....that or anger. Shit everyone is different so it's hard to tell....Maybe my anger stems from fear...hmmmmmm......?
Redallnite
09-15-02, 10:18PM
Oh Jenn I get so angry when I am afraid........
Jennafer
09-15-02, 10:58PM
I know I get evil. Not fun! I get so angry I feel like I'm going to explode sometimes or just go into a dark depression. I remember the days of sleeping for days straight just to escape the frustrations! Now, I "have" no choice but to deal with stuff or else? So, I get some escape when I sleep? Induced! It makes me feel better for the next day so I can get things done. I'm feeling better this way though. but, it's hard work! And I'm supposed to quit smoking too? Still trying. hard, hard, hard! I sympothize w/ anyone trying to quit. Man! It is calming somehow? Confused.
Originally posted by aussie
It would seem usantics that a good portion of the worlds leaders are against going to war with sadam hussein. Unfortunatly my government is one of those sucking up to the furer in washington and planing to go along for the ride. They are doing this in the face of oposition stronger than that of the vietnam war. The really sad thing is that I voted for them but its a mistake I wont repeat in a hurry
I've thought about your position on this issue quite a bit over the weekend Aussie and even though you may not think so, I share your concern for the safety of this tiny planet we live on. No one wants to go to war and Bush is not the shallow person you portray him as. CNN has a poll putting a 70% approval rating on this president as of 9/16/02. You have definately made a very good argument for hate as being the dominant emotion. (although I think it has gotten the better of you).
Originally posted by SysLord
usantics, you are not right wing? Would you then please state where we should position you? :confused:
So you support Bush? Personally I **** ** any person that voted for and supports the most idiotic and incompetent US president of all times. Leave aside whether he cheated (chadded) his way into the White House or not.
So Bush is protecting us from evil Saddam? So what about all the other dictators in this world? First Bush tried to pin Saddam together with Bin Laden. Then when that propaganda tactics didn't work, he's the champion of mass destruction?
So you want to be more isolationist? Then Bush is indeed your man.
Helluuuuu? Does the term moderate mean anything to you Syslord? As of today this president has a 70% approval rating, but of course that shouldn't have any bearing on his competency in your opinion should it? Bush has stated in a number of speeches that the United States is a beacon of freedom for any country under tyranny. One at a time is a strategic move in any commanders warplan. OOOOO I said warplan. (does that make me ultra right wing?)
Belgium was once under the thumb of an oppressing country and was liberated (yes, liberated) by my countrymen, peoples from the allied group, standing alongside your countrymen. We did that twice in the last century. Do I get the idea that you wouldn't want our assistance should, god forbid, something like that occured again? Oh jeez I'm getting ahead of myself, I was just reminded of my previous statement about isolationism. Y'all just take care of your own problems next time. Tell me,,,,,isn't the Flemmish language considered Germanic?
Originally posted by usantic
Helluuuuu? Does the term moderate mean anything to you Syslord? As of today this president has a 70% approval rating, but of course that shouldn't have any bearing on his competency in your opinion should it? Bush has stated in a number of speeches that the United States is a beacon of freedom for any country under tyranny. One at a time is a strategic move in any commanders warplan. OOOOO I said warplan. (does that make me ultra right wing?)
Belgium was once under the thumb of an oppressing country and was liberated (yes, liberated) by my countrymen, peoples from the allied group, standing alongside your countrymen. We did that twice in the last century. Do I get the idea that you wouldn't want our assistance should, god forbid, something like that occured again? Oh jeez I'm getting ahead of myself, I was just reminded of my previous statement about isolationism. Y'all just take care of your own problems next time. Tell me,,,,,isn't the Flemmish language considered Germanic?
Plain silly usantic, since when does the approval rate indicate quality and vision of government? I pity those 70% because if Brush can go with his lunatic politics for some years to come, it will come flinging back into your face some day.
Oh dear WII and WII again huh? As if the USA had no interest whatsoever to end those wars. They really only did it out of samaritan reasons? I thank and remember ALL of those who fought Nazism but that doesn't put a liability on me for the future and/or ban me from formulating my own opinion on world and your countries' politics.
Yeah FLEMISH/DUTCH (not flemmish) is a germanic language, and together with English they share the shame Indo-germanic roots (yes English!). So what's your point? Didn't one of your ancestors haunt down Uncle Tom? Oh yeah, who founded New York again? Weren't they dutch speaking folks? :rolleyes:
Here's some symbolic food for thought from Noah Chomsky, renowed MIT professor:
If we insist on creating more swamps, there will be more mosquitoes, with awesome capacity for destruction.
You can read his full comments on the pending was on Iraq right here (http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0909-02.htm)
We like our heads in the sand! After 9/11 "why" doesn't matter.
America is THE only superpower for a reason. We are THE brightest, toughest and most productive people on THE planet.
Does this make us right? Again, it doesn't matter. Are we "global assholes"?
We will be soon If you little nations dont get your head out of the sand. Fuckin UN inspections, make me PUKE!
Rant:
Why do people risk thier live's and leave EVERYTHING to come to this "Godforsaken" country? What's the attraction? It might have something to do with USA being the best place on the planet! Like it or not. It is a fact!
Bush is right on as far as Iraq goes ... It is absolutely insane to allow a murderous dictator to violate a treaty that was forged with American blood. The 299 Americans that were killed in the Gulf War have been and will be disrespected If we don't act.
I lost 3 buddies in a scud attack. I served in "that" war, many times right next to the 3 of them and felt like a target for the fuckin sand ******s on occaision. I didn't agree with the "war" but fought in it nonetheless. I am an American.
The fact is we should do what we need to do, to redeem my American brothers. As fucked up as we are "viewed" there is NO justification for 9/11 or that Sadaam bastard.
I respect everybodies patriotism whether I agree with thier government or not.
Originally posted by dc
We like our heads in the sand! After 9/11 "why" doesn't matter.
America is THE only superpower for a reason. We are THE brightest, toughest and most productive people on THE planet.
Man you seriously need to check that coloured brain of yours? Brightest and most productive? :rolleyes:
Originally posted by SysLord
Plain silly usantic, since when does the approval rate indicate quality and vision of government? I pity those 70% because if Brush can go with his lunatic politics for some years to come, it will come flinging back into your face some day.
Oh dear WII and WII again huh? As if the USA had no interest whatsoever to end those wars. They really only did it out of samaritan reasons? I thank and remember ALL of those who fought Nazism but that doesn't put a liability on me for the future and/or ban me from formulating my own opinion on world and your countries' politics.
Yeah FLEMISH/DUTCH (not flemmish) is a germanic language, and together with English they share the shame Indo-germanic roots (yes English!). So what's your point? Didn't one of your ancestors haunt down Uncle Tom? Oh yeah, who founded New York again? Weren't they dutch speaking folks? :rolleyes:
Why does the approval rating indicate quality and vision of government? Could be that the citizens approve the direction their government is taking them. Yes, the U.S. had interest in ending both WWI and WWII, We were stopping maniacal Huns from raping your country at your governments behest!!! Many Americans rushed to aid in those fights because we had roots there. My grandfather was gassed in the Argonne along with many of his comrades. I suppose you will argue that they were ignorant of their governments wish to exact a toll on the countries they aided. Hmmmm lesseeee, how many wartime loans have been forgiven by the U.S.? For that matter, How many loans to poor countries have been forgiven by the U.S.? No, you have no liability to the U.S., but you should agree that we aid people in need. That has always been an American attribute. Consider yourself lucky that you aren't required to speak formal German and answer to the third reich. Perhaps you desire an arabic language.
I believe the Dutch termed it New Amsterdam so I would say that they didn't found New York. Besides, Native Americans sold that island, they should be considered the founders.
Usantic, I never argued that the US does not help other countries around the world but there's a difference between lending a hand and policing them, forcing them to comply to an american doctrine.
As to 70% approval rating: isn't that a wee bit outdated? I remember to read on msnbc last week that that figure dropped somewhere between 40 and 50%? Maybe you wish that it was still 70%?
I consider myself lucky that I can live a relative peaceful world/environment personally and I am trying to support politics and movements that like to keep it that way and/or try to achieve the same thing for other people on this planet. I do not support a bunch of gung-ho warsick politicians.
If Bush likes to hammer so much on the fact that we should keep this planet safe from weapons of mass destruction, then why is the US coming back on the ABM treaty, why is the US refusing to ratify treaties on the control and production of chemical weapons, why is the US refusing to ratify the treaty to ban person-based landmines? Sounds like Bush only likes to support what he and his clan favour, nothing else.
I'd say get rid of Bush and bring back Bill 'blowjob' Clinton!
SysLord,
Debating the ostensible world-wide dominance of America in economic, military and political matters with you would likely be less satisfying than running my fingers through a Dutch girls hairy armpits.
Well ... maybe not.
Jennafer
09-17-02, 11:50PM
Oh, shit! I just joined a gardening club? What has this earth come to? I should be at the bar, but I'm gardening! lol. Oh, you guys just duke it out, I'm having a smoke. Sorry Red, I'm weak! I bought some. so much for my advice? Anyhow, I like free air and why we do it just fux my mind? It's sooooooooooo common! I saw some pretty chick tonight, picking up a cig buying smokes (me) out of the ashtray of a Speedway....I'm like damn! All my friends smoke! Do I have to watch them all hang on to oxygen tanks? It's crazy! Drinking is one thing. but holy fuck! I would never do the Chemo shit! I'd be like "bye!" We use these message boards to make friends, what if one of us never came back? Who would say "hey, she kicked the bucket a few times and couldn't post?" Life is short!
Originally posted by dc
SysLord,
Debating the ostensible world-wide dominance of America in economic, military and political matters with you would likely be less satisfying than running my fingers through a Dutch girls hairy armpits.
Well ... maybe not.
Usually Dutch girls shave, well maybe not the ones living in the US :D
Ahhhh, Dutch girls, lets take this thread that way. The Dutch girls I hooked up with on Curacao were (sigh) fantastis! You should vacation down there DC. Try to say hello to a girl on the beach and keep your eyes on her eyes. Impossible!!! Belgian girls are warm and inviting also, OK thats it!!! Head to Belgium 1st then down to Curacao to thaw out.
*Suddenly Usantic breaks out in song*
"I wish they all could be California girls..."
*Then realizes, he's in Georgia.... :eek:
thestarsfall
09-18-02, 01:34PM
Love is the strongest because it has the power to stop hate...theres this one dude i talk to and he always says 'i hate you' (jokingly of course) but i always reply with 'i love you'
Is horny an emotion????????????????????
horny is a constant state of mind. I dont think that qualifies as an emotion
Originally posted by dc
horny is a constant state of mind. I dont think that qualifies as an emotion
Hah hah! As for Usantic, constant is right! :cheesy:
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