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Amaurote
11-18-04, 12:06PM
Tribunal exposes prince's 'Edwardian' attitudes

Stephen Bates

Thursday November 18, 2004

Prince Charles's hopes of one day appearing a thoroughly modern monarch received a fresh blow yesterday when his candid thoughts about those who aspire to rise above their station were ruthlessly exposed in a sex discrimination hearing.

Elaine Day, a former staff member, is accusing the royal household of sex discrimination and unfair dismissal.

Her evidence threw up a handwritten memo from Prince Charles on the first day of what is scheduled to be a three-day hearing in the prosaic surroundings of an employment tribunal in Croydon.

In the memo, written to an unnamed member of staff, apparently in March 2002, the prince fulminates about the state of education - a long-standing obsession - and the uppity aspirations it provokes.

He appears to be responding to a query from Ms Day - who is of African-Caribbean origin - about whether secretaries and personal assistants might one day aspire to become private secretaries or senior advisers in the prince's household. She explicitly excluded herself from the suggestion.

"What is wrong with people nowadays? Why do they all seem to think they are qualified to do things far above their capabilities?" the prince exclaims.

"This is all to do with the learning culture in schools. It is a consequence of a child-centred education system which tells people they can become pop stars, high court judges or brilliant TV presenters or infinitely more competent heads of state without ever putting in the necessary work or having the natural ability.

"It is a result of social utopianism which believes humanity can be genetically engineered to contradict the lessons of history."

The heir to the throne concludes: "What on earth am I to say to Elaine? She is so PC it frightens me rigid."

Although the memo was read out at the hearing, lawyers attending refused to show it to the media to ascertain its context or veracity.

Asked what the prince could have meant, Ms Day replied: "The culture in the royal household extends from the Prince of Wales. [They] would not welcome an employee who would rock the boat.

"He was saying that I am a modern woman who obviously is thinking above her station, basically. I was extremely upset and shocked to see HRH's comments in this regard. It was a household which was structured very much in the Edwardian fashion. Everyone knows their place and, if you forget it, the system will punish you."

Later she told the tribunal she had been made to work in the attic during a visit to Holyrood palace in Edinburgh in June 2003.

She said: "I had been consigned to the attic with the domestic staff. I appreciate that it may seem a trivial matter but working in the palace is about status, hierarchy, and knowing one's place.

"Putting me in the attic, with the domestic staff and away from the office staff, had clearly been done to humiliate me and remind me of my place."

Ms Day, of Belvedere, Kent, worked in the royal household as a PA, helping to organise events, liaise with charities, check locations in advance of the prince's visits, organise seating plans for dinners and even help draft speeches, from March 1999 until last April.

She claims that she was downgraded and effectively pushed out after she complained about Paul Kefford, a former civil servant who, she told the tribunal, would rub his hands down her back and up her arm when he had an opportunity to do so.

Ms Day broke down in tears briefly as she told the tribunal that other female employees, including Colleen Harris, the prince's former press secretary, had told her he had also inappropriately touched them.

She said that when she took her complaint about Mr Kefford to Sir Michael Peat, the prince's private secretary, brought in to tighten up the management of the household, he told her: "But I thought he was gay."

She said: "I replied, I didn't know whether he was gay or bisexual. I felt that Sir Michael was being supportive and understood the position." Nevertheless she said she was put under pressure to withdraw the formal grievance procedure she initiated and that subsequently her work, previously praised, was constantly criticised by Mr Kefford. "I was clearly being set up to fail," she said.

The tribunal was told of screaming matches with Mr Kefford and another assistant private secretary, former BBC employee Mark Leishman, over such crucial matters as seating plans for royal dinner parties.

A formal disciplinary hearing was called by Mr Leishman in February this year after Ms Day allegedly forgot to remove a guest's name from a dinner party at which the prince was to be advised about the state of education by such luminaries as the former chief inspector Chris Woodhead and the Daily Mail columnist Melanie Phillips.

Ms Day claims that other assistants were not disciplined when they made mistakes.

Following her disciplinary hearing Ms Day received a verbal warning. She resigned two months later after Sir Michael rejected her appeal.

The tribunal continues.

Source: Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1353704,00.html)

What I like best about this is that I've just been reading the print version, and there's a noticeable omission in the virtual version - just after the "social utopianism" quote from the Prince, Bates' original version reads "the genetically engineered heir to the throne continues", which was much better. I wonder which sub-editor pulled that one?

Diva
11-18-04, 12:33PM
Anyone who actually make Prince Charles feel more rigid than he actually is scares me.

It's hard to understand where they are coming from, since people are less 'respectful' of each other in the US. When he said that she was PC I immediately pictured someone who scoffs at blonde jokes and calls them the downfall of society.

As for Prince Charles... He obviously hasn't been a part of society for quite a while. Schools don't teach people to become rockstars and if he listened to our current President talk he'd understand that education is only useful for those who actually WANT to learn.

Am, what are your opinions on the status and heirarchy? It seems that being the Lord or Lady of something places you above others no matter what your educational background. With that social standard in place it's a wonder why anyone strives to have more than what their father had.

Amaurote
11-18-04, 02:36PM
I think the clue to the conundrum is that the UK is both more and less of a class-ridden country than the US: inequality of wealth is probably slightly lower in real terms, simply because we don't have North America's addiction to growth or its capacity for sheer material prosperity, but neither are we quite so clear-cut a meritocracy (leaving aside for a moment whether or not a meritocracy is a good thing in itself, which is more debatable than it seems) - our Conservative Party, for example, is more secular and less openly callous (at least post-Thatcher) than the Republicans on Capitol Hill, but equally it's nowhere near as socially egalitarian. For an example of this, take a look at the current furore over the banning of fox-hunting, which has been the subject of approximately ten free (i.e. unwhipped, on the basis of individual conscience) votes in the House of Commons. Each time the House of Lords has sent it back, and the Countryside Alliance has rioted, set off shotguns outside of Parliament, infiltrated the floor of the chamber and muttered ridiculous JFK-era crap about town versus country, how the government is perpetrating "tyranny" and how they're going to heroically thwart the proposed laws by a campaign of civil disobedience. What it really boils down to is: we always give the orders, thank you, and we certainly aren't going to take them from you, even if you have every pleb in the country behind you.

As for the royal family, they have previous as long as your arm. Back during the Queen's coronation in the 50s, she's reputed to have looked out of her golden carriage at all the dutiful housewives lining the streets to cheer her and complained, "Haven't they got work to do?"

whitecrow
11-18-04, 02:39PM
That's King Charley for you. What a tool.

Sterling
11-18-04, 04:48PM
Member of royal family believes in social hierarchy.

In other news, the Pope was today revealed to be a Catholic.

Amaurote
11-18-04, 05:09PM
They rule you, they fool you, they shoot you. So it goes.

Evilpoptart
11-18-04, 08:05PM
I never quite understood why you dry British types just didnt give them all the finger. I mean they serve no purpose other then sucking up tax dollars anyway right? Fox hunting be damned....FAGS :p

Amaurote
11-18-04, 11:41PM
I did, EPT - I've been a republican all my life, like all my friends, although I only formally joined Republic (http://www.republic.org.uk/) the other day. The problem here is that republicanism is strong only in Scotland - in the rest of the UK widespread, lukewarm, unthinking ("Ooh, doesn't the Princess look nice in that frock? Doesn't she have a lovely smile?") monarchism is the norm.

Evilpoptart
11-19-04, 05:21AM
Yes, I did sign the online petition a while back. Having the Royals never did make much sense to me. But then again I'm a dumb Yankee who thinks gays don't have any rights, and Bush isn't a bad guy. So I guess I have my own problems. Stem cells anyone? They're good on toast...