Silly thought for dissapointed dems...

[kittyroze]

Disclaimer, I'm not trying to insult anybody...I just wanted to say something to those of you who were dissapointed or upset by the election:

Well it's not over. The conservative 'publicans have been working for thirty years to infiltrate the subtle subconcious of the country. It just means we have to work harder and longer to unify our party and really work to change our approach. Change the language, change the image. Sell the mindset as one package, instead of being lost in hundreds of different issues. Streamline.

We can do it. In fact, it's now in our (the people's) hands. It's our job to change the fate of the country. With a republican house, senate and president, it is now OUR duty to check their power.

If you need some hope, imagine this...It may not be real, but imagine it anyway...

2008 Clinton Winfrey ticket. That's right...just imagine, if you will a Hilary/Oprah ticket.

Blows your mind, doesn't it?

[Evilpoptart]

I am a die hard Dem, but over my DEAD body will oprah be on my parties ticket...

[kittyroze]

Oh, I was just kidding. My only thought on that was that conservative republican women LOVE her. We'd have every woman/gay man in the country voting* I don't think we could lose.



*sweeping generalization, sorry.

[Boozer]

If they were in the white house, I'd leave the country. Seriously.

[JakeD]

Heh...Bane talked about a Hillary Clinton/Barack Obama ticket. That would be utterly fantastic, aside from the fact that Obama would be shot within an hour of walking into the White House. There's just too many idiots out there who would go into a fervor over the idea of a black person in a position of power, which absolutely disgusts me. Especially since I've met tons of people of different races who were diplomatic and bright, and worthy of having a spot in some sort of politics. People are already going to be shitting bricks if Hillary gets a campaign up and rolling, god forbid that poor Oprah gets into it or even someone like Obama. He's a really bright man, from what I can tell, and I'm completely stoked that he beat out the competition.

Just the implications of a pair like that in power makes me feel tingly in places that I shouldn't feel tingly.

[kittyroze]

Hee hee hee. I think Obama has an incredible future ahead of him. I was so proud that he spanked Keyes in the Illinois election.

[JakeD]

Well, spanking Keyes wasn't that hard for him to do...Keyes sort of spanked himself most of the time. I couldn't believe half of the stuff that came out of his mouth at the most inopportune times. And that other asshat that was running for the position as well...I can't even remember his name, but I heard some things about him that made Keyes seem collected and assertive in comparison.

Obama's got his mind in the right place, though, and I just hope that the political race doesn't twist him like it does most other men and form him into an indecisive crony with ulterior motives.

[entipy]

As sad as it is to say, I don't think we will see a woman in the White House for a looooooooooooooooooooong time yet.

[whitecrow]

Despite the fact that I can't be president, I'm nominating me.

[kittyroze]

Sounds good. Will JakeD be your bitch...er...running mate?

[JakeD]

/me scorches Kittyroze with scalding water.

*cheesy grin* With underhanded and generally unfair tactics like that under my belt (don't ask what else is under my belt), I'll be VP in no time.

:p

[Evilpoptart]

The more and more I think about it, a Clinton ticket in 08 would spell disaster. Instead look for Sen. Evan Bayh, or Virginia Gov. Mark Warner or Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich to compete in 08.

I for one would be for Hilary running usually, but with us being on the defensive, the time isnt right. She would do great in all the states we won this year, but get wiped in the red ones. Especially the South.

[Hunter Killer]

The thought of this whitecrow and JakeD prez ticket made me make them a sign:

http://img123.exs.cx/img123/9696/JakeD_whitecrow_Sign_for_04prez.jpg

XD Maybe it should be 2008? Oh well, misprint

[whitecrow]

The thought of this whitecrow and JakeD prez ticket made me make them a sign:

http://img123.exs.cx/img123/9696/JakeD_whitecrow_Sign_for_04prez.jpg

XD Maybe it should be 2008? Oh well, misprint


that's awesome. you can be our publicist!

[LizardKing]

Something to consider, perhaps the Dems wouldn't have done as poorly had more of them stopped to consider the likely effects that the more shrill liberals (such as M. Moore) would have on peoples attitudes. Standing on top of the mountain and screaming Bush = Hitler may be entertaining but it doesn't do a lot for your cause. It does however piss off veterans past and present who understand the real Evil that was Hitler and don't appreciate having a sitting president refered to as such. The MoveOn.org crowd isn't making the Dems look good either and I can't help but think that things would have been a lot closer had these types of folks not been associated with the Democratic party. Unfortunatly for Mr. Kerry, they were and are. It seems that the Dems are sliding further and further towards the extreme left and how can that possibly do anything but scare off the independent and undecided voter? I believe moderation is the key and the candidate who is the closest to the middle of the road has the strongest chance of winning. Well, there ya go. That's just my 2 cents worth, and I'm not trying to piss anybody off or rub salt in the wounds. I sympathize, because I know how I would have felt if I had put my all into John Kerry's campaign. I only hope that both sides can learn a lesson of tolerance from this election and that we can come together as Americans once again.

[JakeD]

You know what, LK?

I agree. While Moore definitely served his purpose at calling out a lot of people when it needed to happen, he may have signed the death warrant of his own credibility by his presentation methods and public image.

Almost anyone who has seen his documentaries can see that his methods of informing/confronting others and gathering information, while not anything close to what one would call "polished", cater to many people due to its occasional irrationality and extremism, sort of like "Jackass", but more politically inclined. I think that his documentaries serve as a net of truths and exaggerations which he casts over viewers...with some points, he's right on the money, with others, he misses his mark, and therefore some are drawn in while others remain unconvinced. Like I've stated before, it's nice to finally see someone who could go toe-to-toe with Rush Limbaugh, and he serves his purpose as an informant very well.

The founders of MoveOn.org are a pair of Silicon Valley entrepreneurs who were disgusted with the current state of politics back in the late nineties, and started several petitions. Due to the response of their petitions, they decided to found a movement and were backed by several affluent donors. As far as serving their purpose, they do it in much the same fashion as Moore does, with doing their best to mobilize people and taking a hornblower stance to injustices in politics. While most people would balk at the idea of a gang of people in the higher tax brackets forming an opposition to partisan BS, apparently a lot of people were thrilled and their following grew enough to where they were backed with a substantial amount of funds and gained several employees.

Likewise, George Soros (one of the main contributors to MoveOn.org) serves his purpose as a businessman with a plan. His record of philanthropy notwithstanding, his main problem is that he tries to merge philosophy, politics, and economics into a mishmash of confusing theories. It seems as if he's tacked his desire to oust Bush from the presidency onto his own ideals, which makes him seem disorganized at the very least. Additionally, one of the companies he owns bailed Bush out in 1986 when Spectrum 7, one of Bush's oil ventures, started to head down the crapper. Maybe he's holding a grudge. Who knows?

MoveOn.org did the right thing by working hard to inspire others to pass on their visions and think for themselves, although I think they've taken a misstep with their occasional adoption of slightly radical theorems and hyperbolic journalism..but hey, it's their website, their organization, and they can do what they like.

All in all, the figureheads chosen for the Democratic movement don't necessarily smack of great character or pure honesty, but neither do those of the Republicans, either. It's just more par for the course. Moderation was tossed aside in this election, and it basically became a dog-eat-dog scenario...and I think that this sort of rabid dueling will be a landmark for many elections to come. Many Americans, Democratic and Republican, have found their political voice (whether entirely honest/correct or not) and are now cashing in on the opportunity to use it. The advent of the Internet has given more and more people a soapbox on which to vent their frustrations (look at me, Ma!) and their venting carries over to daily life. Honestly, I think that the willingness of the average Joe and Jill to use their opinions is going to lead to further rifts between the various groups, and related to what you said, hopefully the most moderate, honest, and sensible candidate will come out on top in the future.

(note: I may have just made a horribly twisted joke by using the words "honest" and "sensible" in a politics-related discussion. Please forgive me. :P )

[LizardKing]

Excellent points Jake, and well made. I'd only add that if I had my way we'd tar and feather rush and mikie and ride 'em out of town on the same rail. I hope your wrong about the way politics is heading in this country though, I'd really hate to see this kind of infighting become the norm for elections. Ah well, fuck it. Im goin' to go get me a shot.:cool: