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ATTENTION!! This post is my opinion only. If all you wanna do is bitch at me and tell me I'm worng and so on, don't bother responding.
It seems to me that a lot of people on this site are jumping on the John Kerry band wagon simply because he seems to be the only alternative to George Bush. I agree that "W" has done many questionable things in the 4 years he's been in office. What I don't understand is this: it seems that when ever anyone says something about John Kerry, it automatically gets labeled as propoganda or bullshit, but someone could say that George Bush licked a line of fire ants off of John chaney's ass, and everyone's reaction would be, "I'm not surprised." Why is it that any anti-Kerry statements get attacked, while any anti-Bush statements get put up on the marquee?
I'm not trying to start an arguement here, all I'm saying is look at the facts before you decide who you're going to support. Every time something is said about Kerry being a liar, it's called bullshit and buried. Look into it. If there wasn't some truth there, it wouldn't be all over the place with facts to support it.
I am not pro Bush, nor am I pro Kerry. All I'm saying is look into who you're supporting.
Since there are all ready a TON of anti-Bush stuff out there, I decided to share with you the things I've found about John Kerry. Look at them if you want. A lot of it are supported by facts and interviews.
http://www.vetsagainstkerry.org/
http://www.greenberet.net/kerry/
http://www.swiftvets.com/
http://www.stopjohn.com/
Those are just a few of the links I found. I know most of you will say it's all bullshit, but that's your choice; believe what you want.
Don't come down on me for posting this, and don't flame me for it. I've always said you need to see both sides of the story before making a decision. I'm just showing you the other side.
Thaum1el
08-17-04, 06:36AM
*chuckles*
I'm only wondering when all of you guys will start supporting someone because you think the guy or gal is good, not because the only person is bad ;) But I know, such are politics in every country.
*Sigh* No one listens to me. I dont even know why I post.
Boozer, as I keep saying... read the facts on BOTH sides. There are plenty of sites against both candidates which will try to fill you with visions of horror that have already been proven as pure 100% A Grade bullshit. I looked through those sites already before making my choice. Then I looked through Snopes and Urban Legends. Most of the shit you see there has already been disproven.
Why do I talk about getting Bush out of office? Because of what he has done and continues to do. It's my choice. It also happens to be the choice of many people on this board. There's nothing wrong with that. I dont HAVE to stick up for Bush. And if you'll notice, the information I get is from news and congress... not anti Bush sites or pro Kerry sites. I've only listed a few of them from time to time, and that's in the levity section.
The ad that was aired wth the vets already has been spoofed. The main guy on there went to battle FOR Kerry a few years back to back him up on keeping his Purple Hearts. He is now recanting on what he said in the ad and says he doesnt know why he did it. He felt pushed into it. They are talking about photos with him and Jane Fonda that were photoshopped as a main reason to stop him. If you want to talk about Viet Nam, it was a horrible time and tore the country apart. He served his time and I think that he should be respected as a veteran who fought for his country. That issue needs to die.
You want them to start up with the PROVEN ads about Bush's drug use, alcoholism, lying about it (then admitting it when he was shown on tape drinking AFTER he said he had quit), and extensive proof about his (lack of) military record and the sections that are missing? Propoganda on both sides. What it boils down to is what they can offer us in office NOW.
Thaum: I wish that were the choice. But right now I am voting for who I feel will be better.
Having looked at both sides, I've come to a conclusion.
When people are so quick to label something as propaganda when it's directed towards one person, but are less than surprised when something comes up about another candidate regardless of the truth (or lack thereof) behind it, that speaks for the reputation of both.
Frankly, I could have given a fuck less about politics before Bush was elected. I didn't care about voting or anything to that effect. It really didn't concern me. But over his term, I've gotten so generally disconcerted and feel threatened by his presence as well as the various career flubs that he's been through that have been proven time and time again, that I WANT to get this man out of office. I don't care if Kerry did this or that, I just want things to get better. I'm worried about my country. Fuck the party lines, fuck this rabid anti-Bush and anti-Kerry sentiments. I'm thinking about AMERICA.
My problem is, Bush totally screwed the opportunities that he had to improve US relations and reputation after 9/11. We could have had a majority of the world behind us on the entire issue (and still have them as such today) if rational and sensible actions were taken, but instead he smashed international relations to tiny bits. I feel like I can't tell people I'm from Texas now because of Bush, because they automatically treat you like you're in Special Education or something, and Bush isn't even a born Texan.
Likewise, I know many people from European countries who had good things to say about the US before Bush was elected, and now discount those good things because of the president's actions. I was called unpatriotic back home because I refused to join the military and fight for Bush's army of imperialism. I merely said that "Worrying about the well-being of my country is much more patriotic than blindly fighting a war just because a man with questionable motives wants you to." And that's my stance.
I love my country. For as much crap as people throw at it and talk about how Americans are stupid and we pollute everything and Europe is better and blahblahblah, I love America.
I don't like the man in charge.
Many people don't like the man in charge. Unfortunately, big business is going to vote for him, most of their lackeys are going to vote for him, and people who think that his having the title of the President makes him the man regardless of what he does will vote for him. And that's a shame. The whole idea of democracy comes crashing down thanks to greed, misinformation, and voting along the party line.
Bush plans on passing many more bills that do more and more to take away our so-called "inalienable rights", like that pesky freedom of speech bit that we take for granted, freedom of privacy, etc. And I don't like that. I like being able to say what I want, when I want, and where I want. If it wasn't for freedom of speech, chances are I'd be a lot more naive and insecure. I've learned a lot from opening my mouth when I shouldn't have, and also opening it when I should have. The entire process of trial and error is just another bonus to having the right to express yourself, and once that's been taken away, I'm moving to friggin' Canada. These bills even give people the right to like Bush, and we might not even get to enjoy that for much longer.
And before someone screams "Oh, you're just whining about your rights being violated because it's the cool thing to do", I'm going to go ahead and reply, "No, I don't like screaming and pointing fingers like a paranoiac, but it's a pending issue and it's going to happen eventually. Maybe I'm aiming for the worst, but if/when it happens, don't say that nobody warned you." It's not Moore-inspired diatribe, because I've never seen any of the guy's movies and have only read maybe one paragraph that he's written, it's just what I feel is right, and that should be more than sufficient.
I don't like having to worry about what the leader of our country's going to screw up next. I felt secure in the fact that we had a leader with the best interests of humanity in mind when Clinton was in office. Yeah, nobody's perfect. He got some action in the White House. Big deal. I don't like having to worry about losing my job or the company going bankrupt. The economy was bolstering when Clinton was in office compared to what it is now. Living in fear of your leader's choices isn't democracy. Honestly, I wouldn't even call it remotely "American". It's more like a dictatorship. Sure, Kerry's not an astounding candidate by any means. But at least he was brave enough to defend our country, and at least he's not Bush.
kittyroze
08-17-04, 08:59AM
Please don't tell me you believe the vets against Kerry commercial. The guy claiming to have been his doctor WASN'T his doctor. Even McCain is speaking out against this crap.
More later, when I can take a real break from work and address this properly.
Please note: I LIKE John Kerry...I'm voting FOR him not just AGAINST Bush.
I agree with you on this one, Boozer. Many valid comments in return. I think if a politician stakes his campaigning with negativity, then the old adage should hold true. They are only trying to make themselves look better. We shall never have a politician that is admired by everyone. Presidents have been the butt of many jokes since they began. Unfortunately, the web allows more arogant and disrespectful comments to be publically read and spread. Is this right? I think not. I for one don't care for President Bush. However, he is my country's publically elected leader and I will respect him for that. Show me an honest President and I will show you a lier. Nobody is perfect and we can find fault in everyone. Why should a President be any different. You have to chose the lesser of the evils and continue on with life.
* Ice Man climbs down off of Boozer's soap box and runs from the angry crowd.
HeavensAngel
08-17-04, 10:22AM
Frankly, I could have given a fuck less about politics before Bush was elected. I didn't care about voting or anything to that effect. It really didn't concern me. But over his term, I've gotten so generally disconcerted and feel threatened by his presence as well as the various career flubs that he's been through that have been proven time and time again, that I WANT to get this man out of office. I don't care if Kerry did this or that, I just want things to get better. I'm worried about my country. Fuck the party lines, fuck this rabid anti-Bush and anti-Kerry sentiments. I'm thinking about AMERICA.
Thats exactly how I feel.
Also I saw Kerry when he came to my town and he said some things that really impressed me. Wheather he sticks to what he says or not..Im willing to give him a chance.
Nobody is perfect and we can find fault in everyone.
I guess it's just a coincidence that everyone's finding fault within Bush. The Internet was around when Clinton was in office (Gore invented it, you know. :P ), and sure, there were tons of people taking the piss out of Clinton, but the Internet has no bearing on the credible news stories outlining Bush's various flubs (which, mind you, have been much more numerous and more problematic than those of Clinton), short of making them more accessible to the general public.
Also, I've never seen a filmmaker who has taken the time to make a movie documenting the various shortcomings of a president as well as the opinions of aforementioned president's peers...Moore was around during Clinton's tenure in office, and all political affiliations aside, I'm sure that if Clinton's actions had ruthlessly endangered the lives of troops and civilians, either he or someone would have managed to do some sort of large-scale presentation geared towards documenting the evils of his administration.
We're supposed to be a democracy. By the people and for the people. If the consensus view is in opposition to the current president, I think that the idea of democracy should be upheld, regardless of the consequences. Hell, if he's elected, Kerry may be the worst president we've ever had. We don't know. But it's not worth sitting around and letting our economy and our international relations deteriorate just because the guy that was appointed by a general voting error is the President. Lots of people thought that Nixon was a great president. Did he deserve to stay in office? No. People acted against him and brought him down.
Yeah, you can find fault in anyone. But finding extreme fault in the man who is the appointed leader of one of the world's largest nations shouldn't be condoned. People shouldn't get skewered for dissenting, and likewise, material that has no relevant truth shouldn't be distributed like it's breaking new ground. Mudslinging's a part of politics. It goes hand-in-hand. But treating questionable sources as if they were a credible authority on one man's well-being as well as his ability to lead a country shouldn't become a widespread phenomenon.
Politics seems to be turning into more and more of a game of trial-and-error as of lately, and that shouldn't be the case. Sacrificing the well-being of our country and its citizens in a series of largely ineffectual strikes against a faceless enemy is too much, in my opinion.
Thaum1el
08-17-04, 10:40AM
And here I was thinking that Bush's brother was the one electing Bush with some suspicious decisions, and that a majority of the american people (not the ones that were "allowed" to vote) actually wanted the other fella'.
kittyroze
08-17-04, 10:55AM
ATTENTION!! This post is my opinion only. If all you wanna do is bitch at me and tell me I'm worng and so on, don't bother responding.
I won't tell you that YOU are wrong. However, I will happily debate the points you raise. There's a huge difference hon. So, please, remember that I think you're a fantastic guy as I post my rebuttal.
It seems to me that a lot of people on this site are jumping on the John Kerry band wagon simply because he seems to be the only alternative to George Bush.
Actually, I really like where Kerry seems to be headed. He's definitely an intellectual who cares deeply about what he's doing. I like the policies he's proposing. Although initially my main intention with the upcoming election was to oust Bush in favor of ANY alternative, I've found that Kerry is definitely a candidate I can support fully. It's not just his policies, it's in the little things...noun-verb agreement, words with more than three syllables, the loving way he gazes at his wife as she speaks. He looks incredibly interested in the woman he loves and also looks as though he has no idea what she'll say next. Because she's not a canned PR move...and neither is he. Watch Laura and Georgey boy...see that glazed over look as they recite their lines? Or the panic as they find themselves face to face with a question they haven't been prepared for?
I agree that "W" has done many questionable things in the 4 years he's been in office.
Understatement of the year :winkkiss:
What I don't understand is this: it seems that when ever anyone says something about John Kerry, it automatically gets labeled as propoganda or bullshit, but someone could say that George Bush licked a line of fire ants off of John chaney's ass, and everyone's reaction would be, "I'm not surprised." Why is it that any anti-Kerry statements get attacked, while any anti-Bush statements get put up on the marquee?
It's the same on both sides. The thing is, most of the "propaganda" about Bush is true, while if one actually takes the time to do their research most of the "propaganda" spread about Kerry is false. Rather than hop onto obviously biased websites, try skipping editorial and opinion pages in the newspaper and get into the meat of it.
I'm not trying to start an arguement here, all I'm saying is look at the facts before you decide who you're going to support. Every time something is said about Kerry being a liar, it's called bullshit and buried. Look into it. If there wasn't some truth there, it wouldn't be all over the place with facts to support it.
Done and Done ;) I'm constantly reading the papers, watching the news (yes, I even force some Fox News on myself from time to time), I listen to the liberals, the conservatives and the droning sound of CSPAN's perfectly balanced, fair and true neutral coverage. It's important to look at ALL of it...and drop preconceived notions. The most important thing is to think...don't stick to your guns when wrong...(that's advice for people on either side.)
Since there are all ready a TON of anti-Bush stuff out there, I decided to share with you the things I've found about John Kerry. Look at them if you want. A lot of it are supported by facts and interviews.
http://www.vetsagainstkerry.org/
http://www.greenberet.net/kerry/
http://www.swiftvets.com/
http://www.stopjohn.com/
Those are just a few of the links I found. I know most of you will say it's all bullshit, but that's your choice; believe what you want..
Honey, most of those sites ARE propaganda. They've been under harsh criticism for being innaccurate and full of incorrect information. Besides, show me one factual site where anyone says they served with Bush and found him to be a great man. I'd rather see links to specific news articles from reliable sources (not opinion pages or editorials) faulting Kerry for various things. I'd be very interested in reading those, actually.
Don't come down on me for posting this, and don't flame me for it. I've always said you need to see both sides of the story before making a decision. I'm just showing you the other side.
*hugs* You know I love ya. Just maybe possibly find some sites or links that even crazy liberals like me would have to admit are reliable :D
I won't tell you that YOU are wrong. However, I will happily debate the points you raise. There's a huge difference hon. So, please, remember that I think you're a fantastic guy as I post my rebuttal.
*hugs* You know I love ya. Just maybe possibly find some sites or links that even crazy liberals like me would have to admit are reliable :D
Word to that. Because...well.....I love you. :moon:
Also, I've never seen a filmmaker who has taken the time to make a movie documenting the various shortcomings of a president as well as the opinions of aforementioned president's peers....
Of course not, it would be a porn video and wouldn't "openly" sell to the moral majority.
kittyroze
08-17-04, 01:30PM
Of course not, it would be a porn video and wouldn't "openly" sell to the moral majority.
It could still have been made...if he had made enough REAL world CHANGING mistakes to warrant the money it takes to make a movie.
Bush on the other hand has taken away civil liberties...killed our international relations, and killed thousands of American solidiers who didn't have to die in HIS war.
It's getting hot in here. So, take off your clothes.
So he has made mistakes. I am not saying that he is my favorite person. I completely dispise any person who tells me lies in a feeble attempt to gain my vote. I know alittle how congress works and you cannot go to war without their approval. You cannot lower taxes without their approval. One man does not govern this nation. He has certain rights and priveledges, yes. But he doe not soley rule this nation. I love how the public has to have a scape goat. The nation was all behind him in this until what? They found out that he was told a lie and made a decision from that. Oh, please. Give me a break. I may not be intellectually political as most of you but, I do know what how the media can defamate someone's character or build it. It depends how well you play with the other children. If you get my meaning.
kittyroze
08-17-04, 02:16PM
Then again, remember that most major news sources are owned by republicans. :)
* kittyroze goes crazy eyed and starts spouting conspiracy theories in her hovel in the mountains
Romantic Gent
08-17-04, 05:21PM
Bush on the other hand has taken away civil liberties...killed our international relations, and killed thousands of American solidiers who didn't have to die in HIS war.I feel that arguing politics is as meaningful as kissing your cousin. However lets get our facts correct. Thousands of American soldiers didn't die in this war. 943 American soldiers have lost their lives in Iraq and 132 in Afghanistan. Those totals don't equal thousands. Check it out.
War casualties (http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/)
How many Iraqs have gained civil liberties with their freedom? Name me some civil liberties we have lost.
* Romantic Gent climbs off the waste of time soap box.
I feel that arguing politics is as meaningful as kissing your cousin. However lets get our facts correct. Thousands of American soldiers didn't die in this war. 943 American soldiers have lost their lives in Iraq and 132 in Afghanistan. Those totals don't equal thousands. Check it out.
War casualties (http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/)
How many Iraqs have gained civil liberties with their freedom? Name me some civil liberties we have lost.
* Romantic Gent climbs off the waste of time soap box.
Wait a minute now. My cousin was hott back then.
Romantic Gent
08-17-04, 05:41PM
LMAO about your cousin. Introduce me. I also meant to mention that I agree with you Ice that the President doesn't run the country, but does take the blame when things go wrong.
whitecrow
08-17-04, 05:53PM
Levity (http://www.w4prez.com/)
Chill. Just chill everyone for a second. Expressing our opinion freely is what makes a democracy. It's pretty clear than I am not fan of "Dubya" he is doing terrible things for the image of a great country. (Not that our Prime Minister is any better).
Never have I seen so much anti-president stuff going on - and I'm talking about HERE in AUSTRALIA. There wasn't boo about Clinton, other than a short news blip or two. But Bush? Damn, that guy has numerous books written on him (by a tonne of respected authors), a movie uncovering his lies (I know, Boozer, I know I'm walking a thin line), riots, flag burninungs, effergies...the list goes on. Never have I seen one man inspire so much ANTI-AMERICANISM as George W. Bush.
I believe than this man is shitting on your beautiful country, much like Howard is turding all over Australia. It's a shame, a terrible, heart-breaking shame. A country's image takes years to build and seconds to destroy. There are "facts" and facts - about both Kerry and Bush.
I disagree with Bush's politics, but that's besides the point. As a MAN, as a HUMAN BEING, I cannot stand him.
The President Of Good & Evil: The Ethics Of George W. Bush (http://www.dymocks.com.au/ContentDynamic/Full_Details.asp?ISBN=1920885080) - By Peter Singer
The Price of Loyalty:George W. Bush, the White House, and the Education of Paul O'Neill (http://www.dymocks.com.au/ContentDynamic/Full_Details.asp?ISBN=0743255453) - By Ron Suskind
Bushwhacked:Life in George W. Bush's America (http://www.dymocks.com.au/ContentDynamic/Full_Details.asp?ISBN=0749006188) - By Molly Ivins & Lou Dubois
Just 3 (of many) results I got when I searched "George Bush" on www.dymocks.com.au (A bookshope here in Australia)
John Kerry:A Portrait (http://www.dymocks.com.au/ContentDynamic/Full_Details.asp?ISBN=0821262041) - By George Butler
THE ONLY RESULT I GOT when I searched "John Kerry".
Sterling
08-17-04, 05:59PM
The total number of American and British casualties in Iraq is getting up around the 1000 mark. Whether or not this qualifies as "thousands" doesn't detract from the point that it's quite a lot of people to get killed for a war that didn't need to be fought.
The fact is that the Bush administration did mislead the public about the reasons for the war. And not just about the (non-existent) weapons of mass destruction.
The adminstration spent quite a bit of time implying that Iraq and al-Qaeda were linked (and hence that, by implication, Iraq had something to do with 9/11). Now, they knew full well that there wasn't really any evidence of that, but they didn't really do anything to counter those suggestions when they were made. Many Americans supported the war in Iraq because they thought it was part of a "war on terror", a war on al-Qaeda.
In fact, as the 9/11 commission found, there's no credible evidence of any link between the former Iraqi regime and al-Qaeda. They did, however, find some evidence of a link with Iran.
Yes, that's right. Dubya invaded the wrong fucking country. Which is either spectacularly incompetent, or grotesquely callous, depending on your point of view.
Thaum1el
08-17-04, 06:05PM
Especially if you take in account that Al-Qaeda is a religious extremist group, and that the former Iraqi government were extremely AGAINST religious groups. AFAIK, once those hideous al-Qaeda's had gotten rid of all the Big Satan (all of the westerners) in the World, Iraq would've been their next target...
Don't think my comments were directed to just people from here. they weren't. they were directed more so at people I know in real life. I came here to post this because I knew that you all would at least hear me out without jumping my shit and cutting me off.
Personally, I'm voting for George Carlin. (Write in)
kittyroze
08-17-04, 09:24PM
I feel that arguing politics is as meaningful as kissing your cousin.
Well I feel that not arguing politics as well as not bothering to get your views out there is the equivalent of standing in the middle of the road watching as a semi truck bears down onto your soon to be smooshed body. Apathy and ignorance go hand in hand and I respect neither. You're telling a woman who considers politics to be an intrinsic part of being a citizen, more importantly, a woman who believes political discussion to be a part of life, that her beliefs are futile and worthless.
However lets get our facts correct. Thousands of American soldiers didn't die in this war. 943 American soldiers have lost their lives in Iraq and 132 in Afghanistan. Those totals don't equal thousands. Check it out.
I apologize. I mispoke. Thanks for taking the time to kiss your cousin. While using my only ten minute break of the entire work day, I wrote a very quick response. What my intention was, was to highlight that there have been a significantly hight number of deaths because of one administration's desire to start a war. American soldiers or Iraqi men, women and children...innocents lives have been senselessly (in my very very strong opinion) lost.
How many Iraqs have gained civil liberties with their freedom? Name me some civil liberties we have lost.
* Romantic Gent climbs off the waste of time soap box.[/color]
Their freedom? To lose money because their contracting work is being given to American contractors? Was Iraq a country of wild lawless animals before we invaded and raped their land? Forced ourselves upon them? A land completely devoid of civil liberties?
* kittyroze hops on her soapbox and sings from the hilltops
* entipy munches on popcorn and watches the show
Bassmama
08-18-04, 08:54PM
OK- I wrote a long answer out, but obviously had a brain fart & deleted it instead of sending it like I thought I had.
First- GEORGE W LOST THE POPULAR ELECTION BY 1%!!! But he threw such a HUGE tantrum & things started getting so ugly by Dubya & his henchmen that his opponant bowed out- mostly to save the country from having to experience any more of his tantrums.
The war against Iran was nothing more than payback by Dubya for the threat against his daddy when daddy was prez. THERE WAS NO CONNECTION BETWEEN AL QUEDA & IRAN. Iran had NOTHING to do with 9/11/01- but the sheep that this country are full of were told misleading 'factoids' & told that anyone who DIDN'T go along with the war was unamerican. I was one of the FEW people who opened my mouth & said what I saw & was called unamerican more than once. Now I've been proven right.
If you think the VP is any better, I invite you to check out his voting record-
http://home.pacbell.net/reichar/cheneysvotes.htm
If you REALLY want an eyefull, you'll type "Cheney & Voting Record" into your YAHOO search & start reading some of the hits that come up. I especially like the one that calls Cheney a "Nazi for Jesus" & says that if Bush & Cheney are elected, this country is in SEVERE trouble. Obviously it was written before the tantrum that made him prez. It's all come true, too.
Oh- and BTW- I think Dubya & his administration of morons have done more harm to this country than anyone could have EVER imagined- not just the war, but our rights, our environment...
I agree with Diva, JakeD, Sterling, Kitty, Crow......... Hey Crow- can we all move over & stay with you????
First- GEORGE W LOST THE POPULAR ELECTION BY 1%!!! But he threw such a HUGE tantrum & things started getting so ugly by Dubya & his henchmen that his opponant bowed out- mostly to save the country from having to experience any more of his tantrums.
Ok. I've heard this mentioned a couple of times by different people (exactly where, I don't remember). Perhaps I'm recalling incorrectly, but I thought it was Gore who pitched such a fit about insisting on recounts and stuff. What I remember hearing is that the results came back that Bush won. Gore called to congratulate him. Then a bit later started bitching about wanting recounts. Was I just completely backwards or what?
kittyroze
08-19-04, 11:31AM
Gore was told he won, then Bush was told he won...it depends on which news organization you were talking to. According to Fox, Bush won...go figure.
Gore could have fought the recount thing harder - I don't have the details...but the deciding vote was his on whether or not to recount it...so he refused to vote on it. He did back down gracefully.
whitecrow
08-20-04, 01:45AM
Ok. I've heard this mentioned a couple of times by different people (exactly where, I don't remember). Perhaps I'm recalling incorrectly, but I thought it was Gore who pitched such a fit about insisting on recounts and stuff. What I remember hearing is that the results came back that Bush won. Gore called to congratulate him. Then a bit later started bitching about wanting recounts. Was I just completely backwards or what?
Enty, read Michael Moore's Dude, Where's My Country, in it he explains just how W. ripped you ALL off. If you like, ignore Moore's political rantings, and just concentrate on the COLD HARD FACTS that he does have the sources to back up (there is an EXTENSIVE bibliography/source section in the back so you can try prove him wrong, if you like)
Moore sets it out in clear facts that no matter how you crunch the numbers, Bush lost. L O S T lost the election, but because Gore was a spineless pussy, he got to keep the top job.
Even with disenfranchising African American voters in Florida, having Jeb on his side AND FOX News, he still lost...but won...odd...
Like I said, ignore Moore's political sidelines and stances, just read the factual parts.Facts are impartial, even if Moore isn't - he can't make the facts say anything that they don't. At least not wothout jail time.
Bassmama
08-20-04, 05:14AM
Check it out here- http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/2000vote/general/president.html
BTW- You're right, Enty- Gore did ask for a recount of the votes which was fought by Bush because as things stood, Bush won- barely. Bush was the one who pitched heavy duty tantrums & took it to the US Supreme Court (& out of Florida's Supreme court- effectively overturning that decision). When the dust settled & Gore conceeded to spare the country any more BS, Bush was already packing his bags & declaring himself King, but the final results proved that Gore won. And, I don't see Gore as a "pussy"- I thought that what he did was done to stop the brou-ha-ha that was going on between both sides' supporters & bring peace to the country. He put that before his own need to win. Peace in this country came first. Too bad Bush doesn't feel that way.
Thanks for all the explanations! :) It's clearer to me now, and I don't think of Gore as the whiny pussy I did at the time.
* Ice Man pokes head in to see if the tension has decreased yet.
* Diva chops IceMan's head off and shoots for the basket
Nothing but net!
kittyroze
08-20-04, 12:08PM
Eek!
* kittyroze runs from Diva's machete basketball game squealing like a little girl
* Ice Man walks over finds knoggin and places back on shoulders. *I just glued that back on yesterday. DANG!
Romantic Gent
08-20-04, 01:32PM
* Romantic Gent puts on his striped referee shirt and awards 2 free throws to Ice Man and a technical foul to Diva for an illegal chop.
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