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LucifersChild
11-13-01, 03:37AM
"mirror images"
your hate is my hate
my pain is your pain
find death, then be reborn
and start the process fresh
you stand before me
naked flesh and bone
i watch before my eyes
as you slowly begin to take shape
emptiness where a soul once burrowed
darkness where eyes once watched me with a newborns curiosity
now stare blankly, right through me
translucent skin....
i can see what crawls beneath
the death, the decay, the rot
now pulsing just under the flesh
you think we cannot see
didnt know the way you used to be
i see, and no longer care..
your mirrored image has become reality..

Villager
11-13-01, 09:27AM
I like this, but for the lack of flow, it feels as though it restricts the poem, somehow. If you intended that then so be it, but I get the impression whilst reading that it should flow more freely.

LucifersChild
11-16-01, 10:04AM
thanks for the honesty. but, i know you dont like me. and the poem was meant the way it was written

Villager
11-19-01, 04:08PM
"but, i know you dont like me"

That's hardly relevant to the poem? Besides, I've calmed down since mono died..

"and the poem was meant the way it was written"

Fine, just my thoughts on it.

LucifersChild
11-20-01, 06:54AM
well, reguardless of mono dying, the stabs are me were not needed. you actually accused me of being the downfall of a large website. and as far as the poem goes, yes, i think the disgust towards me reflects your thoughts on the poem.

Amaurote
11-20-01, 03:27PM
What happened on another board on another site is history. Do lets just leave it as history. ;)

We've all been poisoned by factional posting in our time, and those days are hopefully now departed. I was certainly guilty of it on Akpcep, and I can't say it made me into a better person...

I enjoy both Lucy's and Villager's poetry, and I speak as someone who was once filled with self-loathing even whilst being paid to look through poetry manuscripts. The differences between them probably stem from their radically different approaches - Lucy primarily uses confessional, finely charged quasi-religiose vers libre, whereas Villager tends to employ extended similes, metaphysical metaphors and carefully delineated stanzas. Both approaches have great merit, and both show great promise.

I'd be quite interested in reading about the background to the poetry of both Lucy and Vill; I personally count myself something of a Philistine, in that the only poet I've ever consistently admired is Christopher Smart, and that as much for his ability to pray on rooftops in the middle of storms as anything else. If we knew the poets that Lucy and Villager liked/disliked, I suspect we'd find the source of their aesthetic differences.

In any event, I hope both of you keep submitting verse. It's well worth reading.

Villager
11-26-01, 04:12PM
Originally posted by LucifersChild
the stabs are me were not needed.

No, they probably weren't, but in retrospect the alternative would have also been unproductive. Nevermind.

Originally posted by LucifersChild
you actually accused me of being the downfall of a large website.

Fact: You posted vast amounts of comments.
Problem: Me being a narky little shit, I interpreted these as very contrary as what I wanted to see on Mono; something precisely as I wanted it.
I said you contributed to the downfall. Downfall is probably a stupid word to use, because the downfall people talk of and the downfall in my eyes are two very different things. I wanted Mono to be intelligent, and for the most part serious. You obviously don't feel the same there, and I apologise for over-reacting as I did simply because you used Mono differently. I was immature to try and change everything and everyone to suit my personal desires. It wasn't my website.

What I'll not apologise for, however, is my interpretation of your actual comments. I don't know you. I see you posts, nothing else. Merely on the basis of those, I saw a persone that I really didn't get along with. Again, I was wrong to react the way I did.

Originally posted by LucifersChild
yes, i think the disgust towards me reflects your thoughts on the poem.

No, they do not. I gave my honest opinion on the poem, I liked it but wondered at the deliberateness, or not, of the tone. Nothing more.


I would have no trouble understanding if you declined, But I would like to propose a truce, of sorts. I like NCT, if we are both to use it to its full we can't have this infighting. Again, I admit my blame, and as Amaurote rightfully says, infighting is unproductive and stupid. To pastures new?

LucifersChild
12-12-01, 04:55AM
i will agree that i have made comments at mono that shouldnt have been made. but im a stupid american that actually believes in freedom of speech, and freedom to do as i please. a truce would be fine with me. this is the internet, and none of you know me in real life. its that plain and simple. so, for my part in this, i apologize as well

Amaurote
12-12-01, 05:58PM
Amaurote trips over Paul McCartney and steals the Pipes of Peace just for jolly wouldn't you