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Lem
11-21-02, 11:39AM
Don't Mess with Mom
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My son came home from school one day,
with a smirk upon his face.
He'd decided he was smart enough,
to put me in my place.

"Guess what I learned in Civics Two,
that's taught by Mr. Wright?
It's all about the laws today,
The "Children's Bill of Rights."

It says I need not clean my room,
don't have to cut my hair.
No one can tell me what to think,
or speak, or what to wear.

I have freedom from religion,
and regardless what you say,
I don't have to bow my head,
and I sure don't have to pray.

I can wear earrings if I want,
and pierce my tongue & nose.
I can read & watch just what I like,
and get tattoos from head to toes.

And if you ever spank me,
I'll charge you with the crime.
I'll back up all my charges,
with the marks on my behind.

Don't you ever touch me,
my body's only for my use,
not for your hugs and kisses,
that's just more child abuse.

Don't preach about your morals,
like your mama did to you.
That's nothing more than mind control,
And it's illegal too!

Mom, I have these children's rights,
so you can't influence me,
or I'll call Children's Services Division,
better known as C.S.D. "

Of course my first instinct was
To toss him out the door
But the chance to teach a lesson
made me think a little more.

I mulled it over carefully,
I couldn't let this go.
A smile crept upon my face,
he's messing with a pro.

The next day I took him shopping
at the local Goodwill Store
I told him, "Pick out all you want,
there's shirts & pants galore.

I've called and checked with C.S.D.,
who said they didn't care
if I bought you K-Mart shoes
instead of those Nike Airs.

And I've canceled that appointment
to take your driver's test.
The C.S.D. is unconcerned
so I'll decide what's best."

I said "No time to stop and eat,
or pick up stuff to munch.
And tomorrow you can start to learn
to make your own sack lunch.

Just save that raging appetite,
and wait 'til dinner time.
We're having liver and onions,
a favorite dish of mine."

He asked "Can I please rent a movie,
To watch on my VCR?"
"Sorry, but I sold your TV,
for new tires on my car.

I also rented out your room,
you'll take the couch instead.
The C.S.D. requires
just a roof above your head.

Your clothing won't be trendy now,
and I'll choose what we eat.
That allowance that you used to get,
will buy me something neat.

I'm selling off your jet ski,
dirt-bike & roller blades.
Check out the "Parent's Bill of Rights,"
It's in effect today!

Hey hot shot, are you crying,
and why are you on your knees?
Are you asking God to help you out,
instead of C.S.D.?"


Author Unknown


kids are so spoiled now a days.

Diva
11-21-02, 01:01PM
Hahaha! You are so right, Lem. When I was growing up, I got spanked when I was really bad. I did what my father asked me to do and respected him with all my heart. Some of our punishments were: Standing in the corner, sitting on our hands, my dad's belt to our butt, cleaning the whole house, and not being aloud to speak. Even when we were grounded, no one had a television much less a computer in their room.

HeavensAngel
11-21-02, 04:51PM
That was great!

Kids are spoiled today
When I was young I got spanked with the belt too by my dad. Now my mom pretty much used whatever as in her hand at the time LOL

Try that nowadays

Princess
11-21-02, 08:49PM
lol just let someone TRY to tell me that and walk away alive... ;)

SysLord
11-22-02, 03:36AM
Kids are spoiled today but doesn't give parents the right to hit a kid with a belt though. There are other ways to discipline children.

usantic
11-22-02, 07:41AM
Originally posted by SysLord
Kids are spoiled today but doesn't give parents the right to hit a kid with a belt though. There are other ways to discipline children.
Do tell.........

Villager
11-22-02, 08:09AM
Originally posted by SysLord
Kids are spoiled today but doesn't give parents the right to hit a kid with a belt though. There are other ways to discipline children.

Well said SysLord, people are often too quick to resort to pain as an instrument of learning. Pain (negative reinforcement, like spanking) is far less effective than reward (positive reinforcement, like cookies for good behaviour).

MY dad used to use the belt; I now resent him. His using a belt was not the only reason, but it was one of many characterising a man with a poor understanding of fatherhood.

Andie
11-22-02, 12:18PM
My dad didnt hit me once..That made me respect him much more than if he had..

Hitting children is ALWAYS wrong..It makes them believe violence is justified just because someone made you mad..

usantic
11-22-02, 12:27PM
Originally posted by Andie
It makes them believe violence is justified just because someone made you mad..
So it matters not if they've done something wrong? I don't get angry with my kids about their actions. When they ignore the original pacifist punishment I take them down a notch with the embarrasment of a (theatrical) pop on the rear.

Diva
11-22-02, 12:29PM
I believe that there is a time and a place for a spanking. I also beleive a lot of the problems people have today are that there is no real 'fear factor'. The kids know what will happen.

Andie
11-22-02, 12:53PM
Originally posted by usantic
I When they ignore the original pacifist punishment I take them down a notch with the embarrasment of a (theatrical) pop on the rear.

Im talking about real hitting Usantics, the hitting that causes real pain and even if it doesnt leave marks on your body it will leave marks inside the child..

Lem
11-22-02, 02:56PM
i remember when i was young my mom whipped me maybe 2 or 3 times that i can remember....now my dad only whipped me once and that was all it ever took. Mom use to say...im going to tell your dad..and that was it. I believe a good whipping is good once in awhile under the right conditions.....not to the point where you make your kid pull his or her pants down and pop them with a belt...that is just to much...I highly respect my dad and mom for there dicpline actions when i was young..

just wish they would have did the same with my sisters..LOL

they always got away with anyting =P

Princess
11-22-02, 09:07PM
I will do what ever it takes to make sure that my children:

1. Grow up.
2. Grow up to be self sufficient and responsible.
3. Respect me.

I honestly don't care if my children like me or not... it's not my goal to be a friend or playmate with them, although I do play all the time ;)....
when their behavior gets out of hand I am strict and mean.
I don't, however spank.... but I have on these occasions:

1. Twins were 10 months old... brittany bit brandon on the arm, I told her "no no, Don't bite" ..... she bit her brothers arm again, I moved her across the room after I told her "no no" ... she crawled back to brandon and bit him again.... I told her NO NO moved her to the OTHER room with different toys etc. she crawled back into the room and bit her brother again.... I tapped her on the mouth and in a very mean voice and look said DON"T BITE NO NO" she never did bite him again, but the poor kid had 4 bite marks..... the last of which broke his skin and *sheesh* I did feel bad for days after but it worked....

2. Brandon (age 2 1/2) would run off ahead of me and once tried to run into the street where are car was comming... I grabbed him and held his hand.... a minute later he slipped his hand out of mine and headed for the street... that car was very close now, I nearly dropped brittany grabbed brandon and swatted his butt so hard my hand stung for the rest of the day..... (he had a diaper on guys.... ) He never ran into the street again....

Times I didn't spank:
1. Jennifer copped an attitude with me and thought she should be in charge of her self and her things. .... she did not have to clean her room OR help around the house.... I told her she was 10 seconds away from losing all the things I ever bought for her..... with the exception of 1 outfit, one pair of shoes, her bed and her blanket. She decided she would be nice :)

2. when my children were toddlers, ages 3, 2, and 2.... they would start to hit each other etc. And generally time out would work for 2 of 3 of them.... but brittany would stand on her time out chair and SCREAM!! I could have hit her then, and Believe me I wanted to... I wanted to send her into the following week.... but I just ignored her until she wore herself out. She already had enough respect for me not to move from that corner... but she screamed for 3 hours straight.... (she was mad.... lol ) she finally sat down and faced the corner for her "TWO MINUTES" and got up and played.... Her next time in time out she only screamed for 30 minutes..... after that it was a periodic fuss/whine just to see if I would react to it.

*** for the record, she still throws fits, at 9 yrs old..... maybe I should have spanked her? but in my opinion she would still be how she is weather I spanked her or not.

And then there is one of my relitives..... she has 5 boys... she uses spanking and even with a wooden spoon..... her boys are not angels but they are not hellians either....

I respect her style of parenting because it is her decission..... and all of our children respect us and love us....
I guess it just depends on the family.

Gracie
11-22-02, 10:52PM
I have never spanked my son....... I never needed to he was always sooo perfect when he was little and he never went through the terrible twos........ now hes 13........ I am about ready to start :p

SysLord
11-23-02, 01:19PM
Originally posted by Princess
I honestly don't care if my children like me or not... it's not my goal to be a friend or playmate with them, although I do play all the time ;)....

Isn't that a weird and also sad thing to say?

SysLord
11-23-02, 01:21PM
Originally posted by Diva
I believe that there is a time and a place for a spanking. I also beleive a lot of the problems people have today are that there is no real 'fear factor'. The kids know what will happen.

Mmm I am not so sure if I agree with that? Does there have to be a fear factor at all? How about a respect factor. Don't you think that when a child truly respects his/her parents and their views, it won't easily go against them?

And as to 'fear': think most kids are more afraid of having their playstation removed nowadays then from a whop around the ears.

Andie
11-23-02, 01:22PM
I see the logic in that statement..
You are a parent firsthand, making sure the children grow up safely and become good human beings.
To be their friend is an extra bonus..

Gracie
11-23-02, 08:19PM
Being a parent is a job. Its so important that we protect our children and teach them morals and values. Someday they will leave us and find someone and have their own children and so on. There are many kids who seriusly dont like their parents and its ok. You dont have to love your parents.

Lucky for the kids, we parents cant help but love them :)

Princess
11-23-02, 10:30PM
Originally posted by SysLord
Isn't that a weird and also sad thing to say?


maybe? I have seen parents who want to please their children so badly they spoil them rotten and they grow up living with their parents at age 40?? LOL

Of course I play w/ my kids and I love them with out condition or end.... I treasure every "I love you mommy" because I know they do love me .... and I love them more than my own life....
however, I love them so much its ok with me if they grow up hating me.... what I want for them is to be ok when I am gone.... not still dependant on me... not in jail.... not anything bad.... so I will do whatever it takes to get them there....

basically if worst came to worst and I had to be mean and strict,I would for as long as it took to train them the right way to be an adult....
not sad.... not really even weird.... just that I love them enough to make sure no matter what,. they are okay.

Jake
11-25-02, 12:43PM
I agree with Princess and Dimples. You don't birth friendships. Those grow. Children are a responsibility. If you don't take and active effort in helping them to grow, then the results are usually a disaster. I can sit and talk with my parents as adults. But the minute I mention a gal my mama goes into "mom-mode". Heh.