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Hussein (http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/05/12/wpal212.xml&sSheet=/news/2002/05/12/ixnewstop.html) offered to take in Arafat if Sharon exiles him. My first thought is that Arafat will brush this off as rantings of an idiot. But the fact that Hussein is working on biological warfare worries me if the two do get together.
Israel's top advisors are saying that Arafat is more dangerous in exile than he is now. I do not understand all aspects of being exiled. There are two things that could happen:
1. Arafat will become a martyr and his cause will grow even stronger.
2. Take away the power and the 'middle management' will wane. That could give Israel the leverage to make a deal.
Which do you think would be better? What result do you think these senarios would bring?
Don't exile Arafat. That would be stupid. Negotiate with him now. Get a deal sorted, then get rid of both Arafat *and* Sharon.
How many more years do you think the world and israel should negotiate with that child murdering son of a whore? Arafat has a history of making any deal that comes along only to break it when it suits him.
Do you realise Syslord that Rudolf Hess died in gaol for lesser crimes than Arafat? How many Nazis were hung after the Neuremburg war crimes trials for lesser crimes that those perpotrated by the PLO.
It might also pay to realise that Bin Laden is an exile as well. In your opinion what did exile do to curtail his activities?
MY OPINION:
There is no race on the face of this planet more worthy of genocide than the palestinians. They are foul low creatures not worthy of the air it takes to sustain their miserable lives. They have continually shown me and the rest of the world they are never to be trusted. The word of a palestinian is not worth the foul breath it takes to utter it.
As for Sharon:
This is your big chance man Im going to call on you now to back your claims. I want to know what he has done apart from bend over back wards to to appease those child murdering bombing low life scum? I want to know how you can blame Sharon for the current situation? Even now in the interests of peace the Israeli`s allowed known and wanted terrorists to leave Bethlehem. Do you think for a minute those guys are just going to dissappear into the rest of the world and become good citizens get jobs and settle down and become Joe average? Of corse not. The next act of terror will be already percolating through their dim untrustworthy little minds. Yet in an attempt to try to end things Sharon let them go to await their next attack. A big mistake Even now after all this time and after all the israeli blood that has been spilt did he send planes and helicopter gunships into jennin? Has Arafat ever shown the same concern for Israeli citizens? Not a fucking chance! that piece of murdering shit sends bombs into the middle of a civilian crowd. Civilians are considered a legitimate target for him.
Wow aussie,
You should listen to your own rhetoric: genocide? How far are you away from the ideologies of last century's nazi's if you advocate the destruction of an entire people?
As to your specific comments: I do not condone Arafat's policy, far from. But *right* now he is the one that most palestinians would listen to. So use him in that capacity. Make the avarage palestinian believe there's hope again for their future, then they will start questioning their own authorities again themselves. As to Sharon: do you *honestly* think he wants a peace settlement? Any peace settlement will come with comprises from both sides and Sharon has never shown interest in that, not even during the time Mr. Rabbin was signing the Oslo agreements. Arafat and Sharon are neither men of a good future but they have their uses now. Then get rid of them.
You are probably not that far wrong. But answer me this what is there about the palistinians that the world would miss if the murdering sons of whores never existed? What apart from news stories do they ever contribute to the region or the world?
As for Sharon I will ask again who sent soldiers into Jennin instead of planes and gun ships? Who is retaliating after repeated attacks on his people? Who offered peace and had it thrown in his face? Who is charged with the defence of his people? Who allowed wanted terrorists intoi exile just days ago rather than shoot the sons of bitches? Was that the tooth fairy?
Im asking you once again to back up your thoughts on Mr Sharon with fact rather than rhetoric
Following your visions, you should eliminate half of the world's population. What do you do with all people that only get to the news because they are fighting for their existence?
My rhetoric is just as valid as yours. You didn't respond to my arguments. Sharon has never shown any interest in a long lasting peace agreement - apart from being under political pressure - without a complete deportation of all Palestinians. Remember Sabra and Chatila?
Originally posted by SysLord
Following your visions, you should eliminate half of the world's population. What do you do with all people that only get to the news because they are fighting for their existence?
My rhetoric is just as valid as yours. You didn't respond to my arguments. Sharon has never shown any interest in a long lasting peace agreement - apart from being under political pressure - without a complete deportation of all Palestinians. Remember Sabra and Chatila?
Ok your losing me here I dont understand where your coming from at all. however I shall endevour to answer you as best I can mate.
First of all I dont have visions those are reserved for religous fanatics or those under the influence of hallucinogenic drugs.
There is no race on the face of this planet more worthy of genocide than the palestinians.
Second point 4.3 million palestinians in the occupied territories do not make up half the worlds population
What do you do with all people that only get to the news because they are fighting for their existence?
If fighting for their existence means detonating a bomb at a bus stop or in a restaurant and blowing up inocents. Then they dont deserve an existence. If fighting for their existence means shooting a five year old as she lies on her bed then they dont deserve an existence. If fighting for their existence means a member of their government praises the killing of a five year old girl and the wounding of her four year old brother then they dont deserve an existence. Those are the actions of barbaric savages not someone deserving an existence anyplace outside a history book let the fuckers rot.
My rhetoric is just as valid as yours. You didn't respond to my arguments.
On reading this thread again top to bottom I fail to find an instance of my saying my rhetoric is valid and yours isnt. But so be it and just for the record YES YOUR RHETORIC IS JUST AS VALID AS MINE
I believe I did respond but you infact ignored the response
As for sabra and Chatila what would you like to remember? here are the facts as I have been able to asertain them
In the evening of September 16th 1982, a group of the Lebanese christian militia of the Falange, entered the Palestinain refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila During the following 36 hours, they murdered between 800 (official Israeli figures) and 3.500 (according to the investigations of the Israeli journalist Kapeliouk) people, including women and children.
These are the charges levelled twenty years ago and as yet unsubstantiated. In twenty years of digging no one has been able to implicate Ariel Sharon. Yet twenty years on you drag this tired old argument out dust it off and try to run it again. Since when has Israel been responsible for the actions of Falange? Just what do you hope to gain by throwing up something that is still to be proven twenty years on? Do you still think there is a case for believing the world is flat as well Do you think that after twenty years people might believe it now?
GLADIATOR
05-16-02, 11:09AM
Hey, I almost missed this outstanding thread, although many of the points Syslord has thrown around before. Kill the Queen, despise Thatcher, and Sharon is a murderer.
Firstly, I would mention that Arafat is finished, even people within his organisation are now openly talking of ousting him. He made no attempt to imprison the murderers of an Israeli Government official for 6 months, but then handed them over to secure his own release. Now that's a man of convictions.
Let me tell you again SysLord, Sharon is surely a warrior, but does he want peace? Yes without any doubt, he has no reason not to, if he cannot bring peace to Israel he is out of a job forever.
Now on to massacres, as Aussie pointed out, Jenin was no massacre.
According to United Nations ( I know run by Jews) 54 Palestinians were killed, an additional 49 are missing. Many of those killed were done so by Palestinian booby traps.
Israel lost (killed) 23 soldiers and an additional 75 were wounded. Why? Because they fought hand to hand and did not use the might of their airforce or gun ship helicopters.
The Palestinians used their own people as Human shields, while trying to kill Israeli soldiers. Not only are they terrorists, but they are fucking cowards, hiding behind children and old people.
The people of Israel want peace, Israel is a democratic country, and if their Government does not give them peace, they will not get re-election. The Palestinian people want peace, the Palestinian people do not live in a democracy, so they can do nothing as their corrupt and murdering authorities, spend more time on propaganda, terrorism and lies, than looking after their people.
Thats, the facts SyslLord. And if you really believe that Israel and the Jewish people do not want peace at any terms except their extinction, then you really are an ass.
If you believe Sharon had no doing in the Sabra/Chatila incident, then fine. I - and many - others believe differently.
Did I ever say that the Israeli people never want peace? Can you not make a distinction between what politics tell us and what the average mary and joe believes? Of course, people within Fatah are undermining arafat's position because it's powerplay, just like Netanyahu is trying to topple Sharon at the moment. But does that mean that the majority of their people don't really behind them anymore? I stand with what I said: any long-lasting agreement can never be reached unless you reach the majority, moderate sides of both camps.
As for aussie: I mean that the Palestinians are not the only ones fighting for the freedom, although not all use the force of violence and terrorism. I will never condone terrorism because it's aimed at destabilising a power structure by using innocent people, whether it's the Fatah, IRA or ETA but I can understand what they are 'fighting' for.
Oh, I will take the 'ass' as a compliment I guess.
GLADIATOR
05-16-02, 02:27PM
Originally posted by SysLord
Oh, I will take the 'ass' as a compliment I guess.
You should. Based on that response I consider my offer generous.
By the way, do you consider Ian Duncan Smith is trying to topple Blair, or indeed Gordon Brown trying to topple Blair.
Of course Netanyahu is trying to topple Sharon, but he is not buying arms secretly and supporting terrorism or trying to pull a military cou.
Sharon has still indeed he has greater support from the Israely people, I talk to 'real' Israeli's every day. Even Bush and his administration realize that Sharon has to deal with a lieing terrorist in Arafat.
I gave you the facts in my post, you respond with 'motherhood statements'
Take the 'ass' as a big compliment, sysLord.
The sea runs deep between you and me on this topic but at least we are both on dry land :)
Let's agree to differ (again)
GLADIATOR
05-16-02, 02:54PM
Seems no option. I will be going to Israel within the next 8 weeks, I wish you could also go and learn the facts, rather than your closed mind.
Enjoy the stay but do you speak to people of both camps?
GLADIATOR
05-17-02, 02:16AM
Of course, that's what seperates us. Indeed last week, I spent an evening with arabs in a Lebanese restaurant. And as I posted "The palestinians people want peace." unfortunately they got an authority that has to pander to the other agendas.
Finally, last night after posting, I got some additional info. The Israeli people have increased their support of Sharon, and indeed he just lost the vote in the Knesset as he wanted to offer a Palestinian State, Netanyahu does not.
Sharon is seen as trying to negotiate pece with security, and that's what Israely citizens want.
Arafat is finished, he is a lieing, cheating coward.
In that case I take your words into good consideration. I'd like to see Arafat go as soon as possible myself but who else would be there to speak for the majority of the palestinians? That's why I am saying: use him for the time being to get a foundation of agreement set up, then get rid of him.
GLADIATOR
05-17-02, 04:09AM
There are others, especially leaders of each town, that are considering to make direct negotiations with Israel. At least Israel has the democract to vote Sharon out, try getting rid of Arafat. It's nearly impossoble.
Both sides need reasonable people like Sadat and Rabin. They both proved peace was possible, and as much as Egypy currently is angered by Israel to-day, the peace holds. Thats a great testement.
aussie/Diva. Can you link this thread for Blue to read. Sorry I do not know how to do.
Where?
When you click to reply/make a new thread look at the buttons above. Do you see the ":finger:" icon? :) Below is a button that has "http://" on it. Click on it and the first thing it asks is if you want text as a link. Type in a word and enter. Then it asks for you for the link. You need to find the page beforehand, then copy the page address and paste into that box. Hit enter and Ta Da! A link is formed.
Redallnite
05-20-02, 09:22PM
Gladiator, don't tell me you haven't done that yet......?????? Not my big ole Gladiator :rolleyes:
I think that if Sharon were to announce that they would take 1000 Palestinian lives for every Israeli killed by suicide bombs there would be no more attempts by these idiots to kill the Israeli people. The people that are doing this only understand force, not negotiations. If Sharon wants to end the violence this is what it will take. I say he should start today and continue until it stops or these idiots are wiped off the face of the earth.
GLADIATOR
05-22-02, 01:01AM
Originally posted by lilbit
I think that if Sharon were to announce that they would take 1000 Palestinian lives for every Israeli killed by suicide bombs there would be no more attempts by these idiots to kill the Israeli people. The people that are doing this only understand force, not negotiations. If Sharon wants to end the violence this is what it will take. I say he should start today and continue until it stops or these idiots are wiped off the face of the earth.
Well welcome lilbit, although I suspect that your idea is a little extreme, I suggest 500 persons for each Israeli.
seriously the problem is that many fools already consider tha's exactly what Sharon and Israel is doing. Israel is accused of masacres, genocide, murder, oppression, starvatio, ghettos.
Only last week 6M Jews surrounded the Palestinians, and starved them all for 1 week.
From my side it's time to kick ass. I woulg give up the last 2% of the land i.e 100%. Then one more fucking bombing, I would anihalate the bastards. Because they had broken their bargain again.
And once again Welcome, please stick around we got a few anti Israel, Sharon people here.
And once again Welcome, please stick around we got a few anti Israel, Sharon people here.
As far as I know we only have one of those. I cant really see the point in waiting for the palistinians to kill another israeli child. I prefer a preemptive nuclear strike that would turn their whole country into sheets of glass
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