Cockus.

[JakeD]

As a nation of predominantly white Christian rural voters, we all know that Iowa has the best to offer us as far as being a representation of a diverse cross-section of American voters.

All snark and assholery aside, the Iowa Caucus ended with Obama and Huckabee coming out with the Dem and Rep nomination, respectively. We've still got 49 other states to go, obviously, but Iowa is supposed to represent the candidates who will have the most momentum throughout the primary elections.

What do you think of the picks so far? What do you want to see out of the primaries, ideally?

[Bones]

Huckabee is an idiot. I'm still trying to figure out what some of the stuff he says means. I'm not unhappy about Obama. I could handle him being president.

[Reliquiae]

It's just too bad that if he is elected President some white supremacist back woods KKK wielding incest loving west Virginian is going to get the idea to assassinate him.

People suck.

[JakeD]

"Asked by the New York Daily News today if he was worried about his sixth place finish in the Iowa caucuses yesterday, former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani once again defended himself with a 9/11 reference. 'None of this worries me - Sept. 11, there were times I was worried.' "

Seriously, fuck this guy. Anyone who votes for him deserves his hucksterish brand of crazy martyrdom.

[Bassmama]

What Bones & Rel said.

[Unforgiven]

It's just too bad that if he is elected President some white supremacist back woods KKK wielding incest loving west Virginian is going to get the idea to assassinate him.

People suck.

Let them try. I think the Secret Service can handle a couple of backwoods hillbillies. They'd get about close enough to see the guy, if they're lucky.

My choice candidate is still Kuchinich, whose name I have long since given up on being able to spell. For the republicans, I'm rooting for Ron Paul. He's not my choice, but he's better than the rest his party.

I'd love a Paul vs. Kucinich election.

[Reliquiae]

I'm torn between being a war monger republican or a hippy.

I am divided inside. I am a military brat, but I'm tired of seeing people shipped off.

But I don't want to give hand outs to welfare junkies either like the Democrats.

[Bones]

I'm torn between being a war monger republican or a hippy.


OMG!!! Someone that understands me. :D

[trekbugging]

this thursday I may have to be in Myrtle Beach to help shoot the debate -- but have to find out as i may have to be checked out by SS-- don't think i will be near the cadidates--but out front of the convention center where they will be--so can tell you guys what the security is like--but have shot and got to meet all of the governors cadidates before--and not really heavy security--was more security when i went to the Miss America pagent-with the bomb dogs and alot of police-- i got to shoot Cristina A but didn't get to meet her

[Bones]

i got to shoot Cristina A

Shoot her again. Don't miss this time.

[dynamitt]

I have no idea what these different people who wants to be president really stand for. But from my view USA need something new and different so just based on that it has to be Obama or Hilary...

[Unforgiven]

Motherfucker, Obama is going to get the Democratic nomination, I bet. Fuckers.

Kucinich > Obama > Clinton > Republicans.

I haven't figured where Ron Paul fits in that, but at the very lowest, he's better than all the other Republicans.

[Reliquiae]

He's insane.

[Bassmama]

I have no idea what these different people who wants to be president really stand for. But from my view USA need something new and different so just based on that it has to be Obama or Hilary...
We don't have any idea most of the time, either, as evidenced by the moron we have now. Obama won New Hampshire, so Hilary's PISSED. Here comes the mudslinging. (everybody duck!):shit:

[Reliquiae]

I got this in a email from a VERY republican acquaintance.

I am neutral, so this does not represent my own personal views.

I thought it an interesting read, however.

===================================

Here is a little history for you to read and remember before the presidential election:

Meet Barak

Guys we need to pray hard, our Nation is in a bad place for the next Presidential election, in 2008.

If you do not ever forward anything else, please forward this to all your contacts...this is very scary to think of what lies ahead of us here in our own United States...better heed this and pray about it and share it.

THIS DEFINITELY WARRANTS LOOKING INTO. THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED, "ONE NATION UNDER GOD". ALMIGHTY GOD, NOT THE GOD OF THE KORAN.

We checked this out on " snopes.com". It is factual. Check for yourself..
Who is Barack Obama?
Probable U. S. presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu , Hawaii , to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black MUSLIM from Nyangoma-Kogel , Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white ATHEIST from Wichita , Kansas ..

Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii . When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced. His father returned to Kenya . His mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim from Indonesia . When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocated to Indonesia . Obama attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta . He also spent two years in a Catholic school.

Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He is quick to point out that, "He was once a Muslim, but that he also attended Catholic school." He does not say the Pledge of Allegiance, sing the National Anthem, nor put his hand over his heart when others pledge or sing. Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that Obama's introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct influence over his son's education. Lolo Soetoro, the second husband and of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta .

Wahabism is the RADICAL teaching that is followed by the Muslim terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western world. Since it is politically expedient to be a CHRISTIAN when seeking major public office in the United States , Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background.

ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the Koran (Their equivalence to our Bible, but very different beliefs.) Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential candidacy. The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the U.S . from the inside out, what better way to start than at the highest level - through the President of the United States , one of their own!!!!

If it comes down to being between him or Hillary .. then we REALLY are between a rock and a hard place.

Please forward to everyone you know. Would you want this man leading our country?...... NOT ME!!!

===================================

My sentiments are that the Republicans are getting desperate.

Also, they (the author of this text) must not understand what the American Government is and comprises of. I mean, this text implies that the President has absolute power like a king, when in fact that is not true. The President is merely a puppet for the legislature to control impress upon ideals that are for the personal benefit of our rich and manipulative.

Everyone knows that.

[dynamitt]

they tried similar scare tactic here in Australia. People who wanted John Howard to win sent out flyer's about how Kevin Rudd (the guy who did win) was a great supporter of Australian Islamic society.

In the end the truth came out and I believe John Howard lost some votes because of it.

[Bones]

It's just scare tactics.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/obama.asp

[Bassmama]

I'm confused- now I heard that Hilary won NH. Anybody know? Or did Obama win the other one? Lawdy, I'm confused about this....

[Bones]

Obama won Iowa. Clinton won New Hampshire. I saw on the news that white voters lie when they say that they will vote for a black man,and that women voters voted for Clinton because she cried. I don't think the majority of voters are that shallow.

[Reliquiae]

Yes they are.

[Bassmama]

Yes they are.
YES THEY ARE!!! (2nd vote!)

[Bones]

Y'all just had to go and shatter the little bit of faith I had left in the human race?

[Reliquiae]

Yes we did.

[James]

Great, Hillary can't take the pressure of the primaries without crying. I dont think it makes her look human, I think it makes her look like a weakling, OH BOO FUCKING HOO, Obama has had to overcome alot more than her and you dont see him fucking crying.

[Bones]

Great, Hillary can't take the pressure of the primaries without crying. I dont think it makes her look human, I think it makes her look like a weakling, OH BOO FUCKING HOO, Obama has had to overcome alot more than her and you dont see him fucking crying.

I don't think it makes her very good presidential material.

[Reliquiae]

Great, Hillary can't take the pressure of the primaries without crying. I dont think it makes her look human, I think it makes her look like a weakling, OH BOO FUCKING HOO, Obama has had to overcome alot more than her and you dont see him fucking crying.

How can overcoming public humiliation from the world finding your your hubby was getting sucked off by a young fat intern in the Oval Office not hard to overcome??

[Bones]

By divorcing him and kicking his ass to the curb.

[JakeD]

I got this in a email from a VERY republican acquaintance.
Seconding Bones and dyna's assertion of "It's bullshit." He attended a Muslim school when he was younger, but these people's notion that it turned him into some sort of Manchurian Candidate is just absolutely fucking retarded and almost an insult to the general thought process. I went to Christian school and Southern Baptist church when I was younger, but I'm not going to suddenly snap and start babbling about abortion and gays and stuff. People change, and the ass-backwards idiots that wrote that shit are just the sort of people who are afraid of change. Or diversity. Or anything that doesn't gel with their extremely limited worldview.


Y'all just had to go and shatter the little bit of faith I had left in the human race?
I'm not going to help any, because I'm thirding what they said. We're a country of people who are mostly engrossed in soap operas and reality television.


Great, Hillary can't take the pressure of the primaries without crying. I dont think it makes her look human, I think it makes her look like a weakling, OH BOO FUCKING HOO, Obama has had to overcome alot more than her and you dont see him fucking crying.
To be fair to Hillary, she has put up with a TON of shit thanks to the right-wing slime machine over the years. It still doesn't make me sympathetic to her cause and I'm still not fond of her as a candidate, but she has had to deal with a lot more than Obama has as far as being in the public spotlight and being maligned and scrutinized by the general public.

There are multitudes of right-wing websites that are apoplectic with hatred towards her, and it all has some root in base misogyny and sexism (as it almost always does), but they still have a palpable dislike for her that's borderline frightening. Obama seems to have had it fairly easy (politically speaking) despite the few nutball e-mails.


I don't think it makes her very good presidential material.
How about all of the rich white guys (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/07/clinton-tears/)?

[Bones]

How about all of the rich white guys?

I don't want them if they are gonna cry either. A president is supposed to be hard as nails. Not cry at the first sign of adversity.

[Bassmama]

FIRST: Coming from a woman's point of view, there's NOTHING WRONG with crying. If you guys would cry once in a while, a lot fewer of you would keel over from heart attacks. It's a great stress reliever (so is screaming & ranting, btw, but you guys can't take that away from us women- we need that to scare the fuck outta you when you get out of line! LOLZ) & lengthens your life.

SECOND- Rel- I'm agnostic & lean heavily towards being atheist. I DON'T beileve in "god" or have "faith" in anything (thing being the relevent word here.) Long ago I figured out the standard that I wanted to live by & what I did & didn't want to believe- I have never molested anyone that wasn't legal & didn't want to be molested, never committed a crime (nothing big, anyway. Burning hemp doesn't count...), killed anyone, (my ex would have been the one, if I was gonna, but...) or done any other harm knowingly to anyone. I don't lie & I go out of my way to help others. If not being religious makes me a bad person, then I guess I'm bad.

On the other hand, the majority of 'religious' people- including clergy- freely lie, steal, molest, cheat,...at least some, if not all, of these. That thing you were forwarded was written by a narrow minded, conservative, judgementalist that is unamerican just for writing it, IMHO. What ever happened to seperation of church & state? How about 'Judge not lest ye be judged'? I could keep going, but I won't. (I'm not getting on your case- just bitching about that email- it was forwarded to me also.)

Going into a church doesn't make people Christians any more than going into a garage makes them automobiles.

I recently read a great definition of Christianity.

CHRISTIANITY: The belief that some cosmic Jewish Zombie can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree. Makes perfect sense.


Anyway, while I feel the way I do, I would be first to defend the right of anyone to believe whatever gets them through life easier.

As far as Obama being Muslim- I don't fucking care WHAT he is, as long as he doesn't bullshit his way into the presidency, then do what the fuck he wants- like GWB.

[Bones]

I just don't like it when people cry to get their way. And I sure as the hell don't want it in a person that wants to lead America. I plain can't stand it. A leader is supposed to be strong and steadfast. I don't cry when I don't get my way. And I don't understand people that do.
Bitching , cussing and even screaming I understand. But using tears is a cop out.

[James]

I fucking cry when I hear that another reservist or soldier got blown up that day, I dont fucking cry because I'm not winning an election.
I'm tired of women saying men dont cry, we do cry, we just dont usually cry over stupid shit like women do. Some woman on a talk show who eats too much talking about how mean people are to her is not grounds for crying, neither is some bullshit like being happy. If you cry because you are happy you are broken. Crying is for when people die, not when you're losing an election.
That's the only thing Bush did right, when he did his staged crying photo-op, he did it because people died.

[Bones]

I don't even cry when people die. When I get that emotional I turn into a stone.
It's probably a personality defect. But I go inward instead of outward. It has nothing to do with being a man or a woman. It is just accepting the fact and moving on.

[James]

How about all of the rich white guys (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/07/clinton-tears/)?

That is a PERFECT example of what I said:

Mitt Romney cries while talking about watching the casket of a soldier killed in Iraq return to the United States and imagined if it were one of his five sons. Mitt Romney is not crying because everyone is being mean to him.

Bush II Cries while presenting the Medal of Honor posthumously to a slain war hero. Bush isn't crying because everyone is being mean to him.

Robert Gates cries while giving a speech at a Marine Corps Dinner, likely about the fallen marines who could not make it as very few people give speeches about how mean everyone is being to them at a Marine Corps Dinner.

Bush the first Cries while talking about... praying? Yeah ok you got me there, there's definitely something wrong with that. I suppose it could be argued that he was crying because of the war that he declared, but we can be sure that he wasn't crying because Saddam said mean hurtful things to him and hurt his little feelings and the news people weren't taking him seriously.

Bill Clinton cries when Hillary comes home from her campaigning and drags him up to the bedroom for some ass ramming.

Also, what the fuck is Hillary thinking? trying to jump on the "bringing change" bandwagon? Let's see, Bush, Clinton, Bush... Clinton... Yeah there's a real change there.

[Bones]

Bush, Clinton, Bush... Clinton... Yeah there's a real change there.

This is why I'm voting for Unfy. I'd vote for myself, but that just seems self centered. So he should return the favor and vote for me.

[Amaurote]

If there's one thing that would make me vote for Clinton, it would be the embarrassingly misogynistic nonsense I read about her every day on the internet every time she opens her mouth and speaks or emotes. She's a shrewd politician and well-used to vindictive attacks from macho assholes and vindictive Republicans (sorry, tautology), which in my view is reason enough to elect her President, but since she's clearly able to shrug off these attacks and repulse them to her advantage, you'd think those lobos who make them would change tack and work against her some other way, for example by challenging her on the issues - like Dick Morris, for example.

[JakeD]

If there's one thing that would make me vote for Clinton, it would be the embarrassingly misogynistic nonsense I read about her every day on the internet every time she opens her mouth and speaks or emotes. She's a shrewd politician and well-used to vindictive attacks from macho assholes and vindictive Republicans (sorry, tautology), which in my view is reason enough to elect her President, but since she's clearly able to shrug off these attacks and repulse them to her advantage, you'd think those lobos who make them would change tack and work against her some other way, for example by challenging her on the issues - like Dick Morris, for example.

RE: Changing tack - They absolutely will not. You'd be amazed at the amount of idiots out there who refuse to vote for her based on the fact that she has a vagina. Sure, they make up all sorts of bullshit along the way, but once they get to ranting about her it's obvious that their dislike for her goes beyond the persona of HRC and extends to her whole gender. It's kinda screwed up.

See Chris Matthews for a glaring example of a misogynistic Hillary-hating toad.

[Amaurote]

How can overcoming public humiliation from the world finding your your hubby was getting sucked off by a young fat intern in the Oval Office not hard to overcome??

That's got to be deliberate, but if not I vote it best unintentional repeat-pun of the year.

I've never understood America's love for the phony radicalism of quasi-libertarians like Ron Paul, although I respect the man's intellectual and political integrity compared to the rest of the GOP candidates (except maybe McCain - it would be unfair not to acknowledge that McCain is an honourable man and as gentlemanly as a mainstream politician can get) - there's nothing particularly courageous about "cheap government", we tried it for hundreds of years and it led to mass poverty, bread riots and political chaos.

Not keen on this story, either:


In a 1990 newsletter bearing his name, which resurfaced earlier this month in The New Republic, Ron Paul - or his ghostwriters - called King an adulterer and seducer of young children, and questioned why the nation should celebrate the Civil Rights leader with the same glory as that given to its first president.

“We are supposed to honor this ‘Christian minister’ and lying socialist satyr with a holiday that puts him on a par with George Washington?” the Ron Paul newsletter asked under an entry titled “‘Dr.’ King.”

Fox News (my one and only truthsource, and like Chesty Morgan, both fair and balanced) (http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/01/21/paul-haunted-by-his-newsletters-disparaging-remarks-about-martin-luther-king/)

[JakeD]

That's got to be deliberate, but if not I vote it best unintentional repeat-pun of the year.

I've never understood America's love for the phony radicalism of quasi-libertarians like Ron Paul, although I respect the man's intellectual and political integrity compared to the rest of the GOP candidates (except maybe McCain - it would be unfair not to acknowledge that McCain is an honourable man and as gentlemanly as a mainstream politician can get) - there's nothing particularly courageous about "cheap government", we tried it for hundreds of years and it led to mass poverty, bread riots and political chaos.
McCain's the only Repub candidate I would be willing to vote for if I absolutely hated the Democratic candidates. But I don't understand the movement behind RP either - you can't pass a goddamn freeway on this city without seeing Ron Paul banners dangling from it, reading "Youtube Ron Paul".


Not keen on this story, either:

Fox News (my one and only truthsource, and like Chesty Morgan, both fair and balanced) (http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/01/21/paul-haunted-by-his-newsletters-disparaging-remarks-about-martin-luther-king/)
in before "Ron Paul didn't write that therefore he shouldn't have to face any sort of backlash whatsoever for something that was published with his name on it."

[Amaurote]

in before "Ron Paul didn't write that therefore he shouldn't have to face any sort of backlash whatsoever for something that was published with his name on it."

Yes, which is undeniable, except for the fact that this election may look like a beauty contest between three attractive (ish) Democrats and a weird but strangely compulsive bunch of Republicans (which isn't necessarily bad - they're like an evil magnificent seven, or The Osmonds), but in practice each of these candidates has a distinct faction, corporate or class grouping behind it which colours the complexion of its agenda. Clinton's is clearly female, older, more Hispanic; Obama's is blacker, younger and he seems to have a few more trade unions; Romney had just about every Mormon in Nevada voting for him, and that affects the nature of their candidacy. It doesn't matter what a stand-up guy Paul is (or may be), if his supporters are a few warmed-over remnants from the John Birch Society, that will partly determine the kind of presidency he would run.

[Bassmama]

"Am's back & kicking American political ass!"
/me stands & applauds!!
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[JakeD]

Yes, which is undeniable, except for the fact that this election may look like a beauty contest between three attractive (ish) Democrats and a weird but strangely compulsive bunch of Republicans (which isn't necessarily bad - they're like an evil magnificent seven, or The Osmonds), but in practice each of these candidates has a distinct faction, corporate or class grouping behind it which colours the complexion of its agenda. Clinton's is clearly female, older, more Hispanic; Obama's is blacker, younger and he seems to have a few more trade unions; Romney had just about every Mormon in Nevada voting for him, and that affects the nature of their candidacy. It doesn't matter what a stand-up guy Paul is (or may be), if his supporters are a few warmed-over remnants from the John Birch Society, that will partly determine the kind of presidency he would run.

Sorry, my comment was meant to be mockery. I think he should at least address it.

[Reliquiae]

I got my voter registration info in the mail. Apparently it says I'm a democrat. So, I guess I'll go with it.

[Bones]

I got my voter registration info in the mail. Apparently it says I'm a democrat. So, I guess I'll go with it.

Mine just says that I'm allowed to vote.